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2002 Venture 3.4 Front Wheel Drive Tranny Removal
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MarineGrunt
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Nov 28, 2012, 1:56 PM
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Nevermind this question. I guess if the flywheel locked in place they wouldn't make a special tool to hold it in place!
Just a quick question. I got the tranny bolted in. As I was tightening down the torque converter I got to thinking. Should the flywheel turn no matter where the gear selection is? I flipped the lever that's on top of the tranny where the linkage hooks up trying to see if the flywheel would stop turning. Will it eventually stop turning if the flywheel does a complete revolution? I don't want to get everything back together only to find out something isn't hooked up right. It just seems like it should lock in place if I flip the lever on the manual shaft to the park position. Am I just way off here? I'm almost positive I put everything back together the right way.
Thanks!
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nickwarner
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Nov 28, 2012, 5:08 PM
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You're overthinking things and worrying too much. If the flywheel wasn't supposed to turn in park the engine would stall out when you put it in park.
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Discretesignals
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Nov 28, 2012, 5:17 PM
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I think Marine is getting nervous. That always happens when you get close to the moment of truth.
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MarineGrunt
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Nov 28, 2012, 9:56 PM
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You're darn right I'm worrying too much and getting nervous! Once I get it all back together I'll probably let it sit for a few days until I have the guts to start it and put it in gear. Well, if it has any gears!
When I was getting ready to hook up the steering rack I noticed there was a metal plug on the bottom that was leaking. I was able to pull the plug out with some vice grips. I used some rtv and tapped it back in. Will that be okay or is there a certain type of sealant that's suppose to be used? I hope so because I don't think I can get to it with the frame back on and I don't plan on dropping it again until I find out the tranny doesn't work!
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Discretesignals
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Nov 29, 2012, 7:27 PM
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Not unusual to see leaks from the lower pinion gear bearing cups on those. It should be alright with your repair. Don't sweat it...things are going to work as planned. 
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MarineGrunt
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Nov 30, 2012, 10:22 AM
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I pretty much have everything back together. I can't believe how everything lined up as fast as it did. I was going to try and find a used tranny jack but decided to see if I could install it first. I know what I did wasn't the proper way but it worked. I had my big jack with a piece of plywood wired to it to support the whole tranny. I used a small jack on the final drive side. I then used ratchet straps connected to the engine support fixture and wrapped it around the tranny mount bracket on the side cover. I was able to swing the tranny into any position I wanted. I bet it only took 5 minutes to get it lined up and bolted down. Worked much better than I thought it would. I put new ball joints on as I kind of jacked up the rubber on the old with the pickle fork. They were kind of a bitch. I had to tap the threads for the stabilizer too. Two bolts didn't want to go in straight. Other than those few things it all went great. I used a couple jacks and ratchet straps for the frame. Went right into place. I still have to get new bolts for the frame before we really drive the van but just used the old for now. I'll probably pick up some new ones this weekend and swap them out.
All I have to do now is fluids, install battery (my year and a half old battery was toast. I don't think it worked quite right since the day I got it as it would have no power once every few months until I wiggled connection. It was still under warranty so got a new one for free), air box, and tires. Oh yeah, I have to put the hood latch on it because when I went to tow it home I left the keys in my other vehicle. It was locked and I was an hour and a half from home! Luckily I was able to take the grill off, the hood latch, and pop the tranny into neutral. I felt like an idiot that day! Well, I was an idiot that day!
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Discretesignals
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Nov 30, 2012, 7:52 PM
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Come on man, you got that thing rolling yet? Your giving me the Sh!ts.  LOL
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MarineGrunt
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Nov 30, 2012, 7:58 PM
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Is there any certain way you should fill up a rebuilt tranny? I'll have to double check but when completely dry I think it's suppose to hold 13.4 quarts. I poured as much as I could in the torque converter before installing but it would only take about a quart. Maybe it came with some already in it?
Also, is there a trick, besides turning the steering wheel a hundred times, to bleed the air out of the power steering system?
Tomorrow is finally the day. I don't know if I'm going to have the balls to shift it into gear! I didn't do too much today because I have a horrible head cold and the flu. Before we left for Kentucky last Wednesday my mother in law called and said she was sick. I thought we were going to get out of going. Instead, I lost a weekend of finishing up the tranny and caught whatever psycho bug she had in her system. I always suspected she was the devil and now I know for sure!
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Discretesignals
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Nov 30, 2012, 8:40 PM
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Pour about 5 quarts into the transmission and fire it up. Check for leaks. Then keep pouring till it shows on the stick. Shift through the gears and recheck and add more. It take a while because the fluid takes its time running down the inside of the dipstick tube. I found a trick of using the air blow gun to blow down the tube to get the fluid out of the tube quicker, so you don't get wacky readings on the dipstick.
The PS system is fill and turn the steering wheel (with wheels off the ground about 20 times). Then check the level and add. Crank it up and have someone pour the fluid in if it gets low.
A few people I know have the creeping crud too. Boss's wife can't shake it.
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MarineGrunt
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Nov 30, 2012, 11:19 PM
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Re: 2002 Venture 3.4 Front Wheel Drive Tranny Removal
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Thanks DS.
I put 9 quarts in including the one in the converter. I was going to start it and let it warm up but decided I better ask first. I was afraid if I had too little, and I ran it too long, I might screw something up. Not sure what could happen if I added too much either. I'll probably pump a few quarts out before I do anything and do it the way you described.
That's a great idea with the blow gun. Whenever I did a tranny flush I'd get all nervous because it's hard to get a good reading. It seemed like it was a 3 day process to get it at the exact level. Not anymore!
I did fire it up for a few seconds just to make sure it started. It hasn't been started since May so wasn't sure if it had any bugs. It started right up.
Once I know the tranny is good maybe I'll go ahead and pull the engine. It's the next thing I'm my list to learn.  Well, I guess it's not so much of a learn list because I know I barely scratched the surface on learning how the 4t65e really works.
Or, since the Sierra has the hard shift into 2nd maybe I'll rebuild its tranny. I haven't checked but believe it's the 4l60e. Chuck said it's easier than the 4t65e.
I better not get ahead of myself though. I don't know if the van is race ready yet! It wouldn't bother me having to pull it again. I'd just have no idea of what could be wrong since I felt like I followed everything to a "T" and looked over every with a microscope. I bet I checked every piece at list 10 times multiple times throughout the rebuild. I guess there's only one way to find out. Since I've never owned an "off the lot" vehicle I'm anxious to see how well a new tranny shifts.
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Discretesignals
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Dec 1, 2012, 9:22 AM
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Putting 9 quarts and cranking it up is alright. You don't need to drain any unless it is overfull. I'm just used to putting in 4-5 quarts in the beginning because I had a incident on a Ford AOD where I poured in more than 5 quarts with the engine off and the excess fluid made a huge lake under the truck because the fluid came out the vent. The pan on those only holds about 5 quarts and you can't add anymore until the pump takes it up into the torque converter. Yours is different because you have the whole valve body side for the over 5 initial quarts to go into, so no problem there.
Pull the engine? Why? One thing at a time grasshopper...
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nickwarner
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Dec 1, 2012, 4:01 PM
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Don't worry about this so much. Its going to work out. Get those battery cables worked out of the rubber ends before you hook them up. I bet there's a bunch of crap in there. Side terminals are good for that. You really need them out of the covers to clean them right. I wouldn't pull the motor unless you blow it up. Start with a small one. Get a lawnmower with a Briggs or a Honda engine that is junk and rebuild it to get used to it first. Maybe even get an ATV with a junk motor, then in the end you have a cheap 4 wheeler for hunting or to let the kids beat on. For the truck, I doubt you need to go and rebuild it just yet. Put in that TransGo shift kit that I put in mine. See if your shift issues get better.
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MarineGrunt
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Dec 1, 2012, 7:30 PM
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I didn't get around to doing squat today. This darn flu bug has to be one of the worst ones I've ever had. I hadn't hooked up the stabilizer bar yet so went to do that. The bolts for it need replaced. I was just going to temporarily put in the old so I could take it for a test drive tomorrow but one snapped in two. I might have some in the bolt bin that will work. If not, I'll pick a couple up from Fastenal when I go to get new frame bolts.
As I mentioned before, over the summer, the battery went to crap. I hooked up the new one earlier and noticed the radio now says "locked". I've never had that happen before. Is the only way to get that unlocked is by going to the dealership and have them reprogram it? I'm not too worried about it but when I tell the wife I'm selling her recently purchased Envoy and putting her back in the van she's going to want some tunes. Yeah right, there's no way I'm getting her out of the Envoy!
Hopefully tomorrow is the day to take it for a drive.
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Discretesignals
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Dec 1, 2012, 7:38 PM
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You need the code to unlock the radio. The instructions to unlocking it are in the owner's manual. If you don't have the code, you have to go to the dealer to get it. Sometimes you'll find an owners manual where someone wrote the code number either on the page the instructions are on or on the front or back cover. If you do have to get the code, I suggest you write it somewhere in the owner's manual.
Shoot, she'll probably get in the van and drive it. Then she'll fall in love because it will be shifting and running like a Bentley. You won't be able to pry her off it. (I can picture her standing behind you rolling her eyes)
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Sidom
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Dec 1, 2012, 8:40 PM
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There is an 800 number out there that supposedly works for free.......Never tried it personally so I can't say....
You just get the code from the radio & call into the automated number.
1-800-537-5140
To get the code, Press and hold presets 2 and 3 for about 5 to 10 seconds until you
get 3 digits on your display. write those down & then immediately press the AM/FM button to get the last set of 3 numbers. Call the number & use those 6 numbers to get your code...
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MarineGrunt
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Dec 1, 2012, 8:56 PM
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Ha!....I like your way of thinking but it's obvious that you have never met my wife! I can see it now. The second I put a for sale sign in the Envoy the tranny in the van mysteriously stops working. Either that or all of my tools, clothes, etc will be laying on the front lawn. I think we'll be keeping the Envoy.
Great.....I'll check the owner's manual first thing in the morning. If not, I'll give the 800 number a try. I'll let you know what I find out.
Thanks!
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MarineGrunt
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Dec 2, 2012, 1:31 PM
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I started it up to check for leaks. I noticed that a fitting for a tranny line has a slight leak. No big deal there. I should've replaced them while I had it out since they were somewhat rusted up.
One problem I have is the gauges on the cluster aren't working. When I turn the key the only lights that light up are the seatbelt lamp and the check engine lamp. None of the other ones do anything. The gas gauge or temp gauge aren't moving either. I checked the fuses and they all look okay. I guess I'll check them with a multi meter next. I was kind of thinking I left a wiring harness unhooked but looked all over and didn't notice one. That doesn't mean there isn't one unhooked though. All the gauges worked fine last time the van was operational. Seems like it would be a wiring harness. Any ideas?
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MarineGrunt
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Dec 2, 2012, 4:08 PM
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I ended up figuring out the issue that I posted above. I cleaned all the grounds that are attached to the tranny. I also cleaned the electrical connectors going to the starter. Something I should've done from the get go. When I originally hooked them up I told myself that I should clean them but remember saying "screw it". Would've been much easier doing it when the tranny was out. I guess that's what I get. I'm not sure if the gauges and everything get their juice from a ground or not. I did disconnect the battery before doing this so maybe having the battery unhooked for awhile did it. Either way, the gauges are good to go.
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nickwarner
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Dec 2, 2012, 5:15 PM
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A bad ground will cause just as much issues as no power will. I think you're on the right track. Always clean any electrical connection like that when you have reason to take it apart. Not doing it will give you issues almost every time.
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MarineGrunt
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Dec 2, 2012, 8:13 PM
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Thanks Nick. Figures. That was the only thing I half assed during the whole project and it nailed me. I'm just glad that's all it was.
What does that little purple wire do that's on the small bolt of the starter? It's the only wire on the small bolt. Looks like it runs to the rear top of the engine. At least I noticed the same color wire running up there. Not sure if it's the other end or not. Just curious if that might've be the one that did it. If not, it was one of the 6 or so grounds that attach to the tranny. The radio is no longer locked either. Once I unhooked and hooked up the battery it unlocked on its own.
I have a power steering leak to take care of now. I had the other post a few weeks back about it and thought it was an oil leak. I updated that thread a few minutes ago with a couple questions so won't go into it here. I wish I would've just changed out the lines while I had the pump off. It's dripping pretty good now.
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MarineGrunt
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Dec 6, 2012, 2:57 PM
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Well, I finally finished everything up. I'm still having issues with the power steering though. I replaced both lines and the pump and it still has hard steering and the whining noise. I'm wondering if the new pump is faulty. It looks like there's a fluid leak but I can't find it for the life of me. It kind of looks like it could be leaking just a little on the fitting on the pressure line where it connects to the steering rack. f there is a leak could it let air into the system and cause the whining noise?
I did take it for a spin earlier and the tranny shifts as smooth as can be. This victory would've been much sweeter if I wouldn't have ran into this power steering issue. Oh well, that's the way it goes and especially with a vehicle with 143k. I'm just glad the tranny works!
Thanks for all of the help with the tranny. I couldn't have done it without you all!
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I think I might've found where it's leaking. I think it's coming from the fitting on the pressure line where it hooks into the steering rack. When I took it for a drive it was smoking under the hood. I'm guessing it was shooting a small stream out of that fitting and hitting the exhaust. The reason I'm thinking this is because it looks like there may be some drops of fluid on the left hand side of the engine. Under that fitting on the steering rack you can barely see a wet spot. That's why I'm thinking it was shooting out. Sound feasible?
I went up to carquest and they're going to order another line. It should be here tomorrow. I just hope the pump didn't burn up. I only went two miles. Anyways, it had fluid, I just think there was air in the system. I hope it's fine because I'm going to go nuts if I have to pull the pump off again. It's not that bad but I've had to pull the alternator and bracket in order to get the return line. I can get the pressure line with it in place.
(This post was edited by MarineGrunt on Dec 6, 2012, 3:30 PM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Dec 6, 2012, 3:47 PM
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On the tranny. You get the  prize for having the longest thread on the site too! I would have been really bummed out if the trans didn't work out with all that attention to detail you gave it.
PS issue? IMO not directly related at all. Not sure what to do but it is high on the list for this car to fix or new pump buzzing away will not tolerate that for long if it wasn't the whole problem itself. Probably best to attack that as a separate thread if it can't be found out why easily soon. If it can't bleed itself out there might be a special way to do that for this that I'm unaware of or if return fluid isn't free to return would be starving for fluid - maybe? Yikes - if debris get shot along to rack and pinion and can't be cleared that brings on another issue to deal with. I don't hear of defective replacement pumps much at all so just not sure if that should be the first suspect reason,
Tom
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MarineGrunt
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Dec 6, 2012, 4:23 PM
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Thanks for the congrats Tom. Hey, I didn't do this all by myself. Without you guys here helping me along who knows how it would've turned out!....When you mentioned restriction of return fluid that got me thinking. Remember me telling you I had to add a length of rubber hose because the return line didn't come complete? Well, right before the pump the metal line ends. There is then a 5" piece of hose that makes a u shape that goes from the line to the pump. I looked at it and right in the middle of the bend it really flattened up. I ran to carquest and was able to find one that had somewhat of a pre-molded bend. I'm guessing that caused to much pressure to build and it leaked out the fitting. But, wouldn't it cause it to blow some seal on the pump? If so, I'm guessing that fitting is still leaking unless it could've screwed up the o-ring on the end. I'm going to go ahead and replace that line with the new one just to be safe.
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MarineGrunt
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Dec 6, 2012, 4:28 PM
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Do you have to use thread sealant on the fittings on the end of the line? I didn't before because I didn't figure they needed any but guess I don't know for sure.
If replacing the short section of curved hose and pressure line doesn't fix it I'll start a new thread.
(This post was edited by MarineGrunt on Dec 6, 2012, 5:22 PM)
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Discretesignals
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Dec 6, 2012, 5:41 PM
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You are the man! I had the upmost confidence that you would improvise, adapt ,and overcome. I bet your the center of attention now in the neighborhood. News is going to spread around that you can rebuild transmissions and the neighborhood wives are going to be baking you cakes and cookies and asking you to come and check out their husbands' vehicles. If you want, I can refer our customers in need of tranny repair to ya...LOL. Good job. The power steering system is a piece of cake.
All the women will be saying, "MY HERO!!!"
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