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Jul 27, 2005, 12:47 PM

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How do you feel about this one.....

Whya re we spending all this time and money, looking for other sources of OIL, when we know there is only a limited supply.... we should be spending the time and money investing in new technologies........


Dear NRDC Earth Activist,

Less than 50 days from now, members of the House and Senate will cast the final
decisive vote on the future of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

There won't be any more second chances.

The purpose of this email isn't to ask you to do anything. I just want to share
with you the challenge that lies before us. Then, in the days and weeks ahead,
I'll be sharing our plan of action with you, and calling on you to play a key
role in helping save the Arctic Refuge.

Either we will win this upcoming vote or we will lose the Arctic Refuge to
massive oil development and senseless destruction. That's not an outcome that
you and I can tolerate. So, it is imperative that we demonstrate the strength,
spirit and passion of NRDC Earth Activists and the NRDC Action Fund community
over the next seven weeks.

It's time to show the Bush Administration, the oil companies and their allies
in Congress that we will never let their relentless scheming succeed in
destroying America's greatest sanctuary for caribou, polar bears, white wolves
and other Arctic wildlife.

As things stand right now, there is a serious danger that the Arctic Refuge
will fall victim to one of the oldest political tricks in the book.

The House and Senate have passed a "budget resolution" that paves the way for
oil drilling in the Refuge. However, to complete its raid on the Arctic,
Congress must still pass a "budget reconciliation" bill that formally opens the
Refuge to drilling.

But the Bush Administration and its Congressional allies are trying to declare
the battle over. They are working hard to create a sense of inevitability about
the Refuge's fate, hoping to break the spirit of its environmental protectors
before the decisive vote in mid-September. Don't be fooled!

Their sneak attack on the Refuge back in the spring carried the day by only
five votes in the Senate and a mere three votes in the 435-member House.
They're in the fight of their lives and they know it! Our job is to make sure
that the American people know it, too, because 72 percent of the public is
opposed to sacrificing the Arctic Refuge as part of the budget process.

That's why it is absolutely essential that you join together with other Earth
Activists and NRDC Action Fund supporters all across the nation in an all-out
effort to defeat this budget bill.

We will be using each and every one of the 49 days between now and the decisive
vote to put pressure on members of the House and Senate to save the Arctic

This week is especially critical. It's the last week that Congress is in
Washington before its summer recess. We have to send every member of the House
and Senate home with a powerful message: When you come back in September, come
prepared to cast one of the most critical environmental votes of your career.

Later this week, I will send you an email providing you with an opportunity to
help get that message across in dramatic fashion. But, right now, what's most
critical is that you -- as a leading environmental advocate in your community --
understand what these next several weeks are all about.

Make sure everyone you know understands that the final "make-or-break" vote on
the Arctic Refuge is less than 50 days away. Make it clear to them that a
passionate, spirited campaign over the next seven weeks can turn the most
serious threat the Arctic Refuge has ever faced into one of the most powerful
victories the environmental community has ever won.

In mid-September, when the House and Senate vote, the future of the Arctic
Refuge will be in their hands. But, right now, it is in ours.

Let's promise each other that we will do everything in our power to turn last
April's narrow defeats into a compelling September victory for one of America's
greatest natural treasures.


John Adams
NRDC Action Fund

(This post was edited by carjunky on Jul 27, 2005, 12:49 PM)


Jul 27, 2005, 12:51 PM

Post #2 of 7 (2819 views)
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It's really something what goes on behind the closed doors of the goverenment, that everyday people don't even care to know... but they really should.

Tom Greenleaf
Ultimate Carjunky / Moderator
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Jul 27, 2005, 11:00 PM

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I have mixed feelings on the ANWR debate. I really don't think the environmental impact will ultimately be very much. If we even get started with this project it's still going to take a decade to get any oil. The money has put thousands of local folks in Alaska through college and greatly improved their lives.

We had a warning in 1973 to stop being dependant on imported oil. I was there - working at a gas station wathcing the lines of cars and the price doubling. Our reaction to that was to lower to speed limit to 50MPH - the truckers complained so much that later it was raised to 55. CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) was started but it only put a strain on what we call the American car companies. I think instead we should have mandated that motor vehicles NOT use fossil fuels within 40 years. No one did anything. USA is an oil producer and we need the product for lots of things - no just making gasoline/deisel.

We had another warning in the late 1970s into early 1980s and still didn't get the message and CAFE standards were relaxed a bit. Prices doubled again! The car makers really lost market share to foriegn competition and reacted with near doubling fuel economy of their fleet.

Now we have yet again doubled prices and it really hurts the US economy which in turn hurts our families with jobs lost and just the expense of it but we keep buying gas hog vehicles??

We are a pretty darn well educated society and should use every means to be more efficient. Buy a flourescent light bulb - insulate your home better - buy appliances that are energy efficient. It's shocking how much a new A/C unit or refrgerator can save along with the newer lighting products.

I agree we as people should work together on this and use less energy and find or engineer even better stuff - get back to carpooling etc.

What have YOU (meaning any reader) done to be more efficient?

Tom Greenleaf


Jul 28, 2005, 7:14 AM

Post #4 of 7 (2804 views)
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Tom I agree,

My understanding with the arctic drilling is that there really isn't much oil up there, maybe about 6 months to a year worth.... So why blow throw billions of dollars and damage one of earths last pristine environments.... when they could use that to promote bio-diesel and SPOT paying our farmers not to grow crops..... That’s my opinion.

Truth is OIL runs the world, politicians need campaign funds, and people have difficulty donating $25 dollars, so the politicians get millions, from the oil companies.... so how are they going to repay.....

My biggest laugh comes from people in general..... They would rather pay $100 or more per month to a power company then to invest in some solar panels that after five years really pay for themselves, and then they would make money for the next 20+ years, by selling back the unused power to the electric companies...

We are one of the Smartest, if not the smartest country in the world..... Yet we depend on fossil fuels, very sad.....

Being in the automotive industry I was very shocked to learn that almost EVERY major car maker has a hybrid and hydogen car ready... in a test state...

That being said the car makers need to put away the hybrids that only get 30 mpg since they are really a waste, and do what toyota did and make a car that gets over 50 mpg's....

Tom Greenleaf
Ultimate Carjunky / Moderator
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Jul 29, 2005, 8:38 AM

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Just got an email about stopping the ANWR project - blaming Exxon/Mobil for their political push to do it. Can't verify anything with this. They must think they can make a profit to spend the major bucks to try??

Just FYI - Retired but I have had family in the oil biz. Almost all was the Gulf of Mexico - hard to get oil out there but there's bucks in it if you hit a good spot. They are better now than ever at a good guess as to how much is available. I'm surprised any concern is interested in ANWR with it current thought limited production - even at high crude oil prices that may not last it's probably a dumb move. If we knew that would solve our oil dependancy I would say go for it. It's just NOT known right now and if I were an oil company I'd pass just on the risk.Smile Tom


Jul 29, 2005, 8:57 AM

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I agree (again). The ANWR project has a very limited supply of oil; some leaders are actually concerned that if the government opens up the ANWR, soon other locations will follow. Like I've heard right off the coast on NJ there is suppose to be some oil, so would this mean that we’d get an oil platform here....

We don't get to see the mess left behind, since its not news, but there is still damage from the Exxon spill years back, and oil fields get abandoned.... not cleaned up.

I've read today that in the next five years BP is going to send out 35 exploration projects for oil exploration......

What really gets me is it pays to be the first... and since we know this is a limit on the oil, say 40-50 years tops.... why not be the first with a new technology, if BP was to team up with say Honda, or another car company and start in New York, city with say Taxi's to run hydrogen cars and build 2 hydrogen gas stations. Both would be able to use this as a test ground, and the fact that NYC has so many taxi's the two stations would be packed, then once the technology started to grow the could slowly expand out.

I feel its like holding a stock like Lucent, everyone's hoping for the big come back, back its not there..... Technology is too cheap, and even the good companies like Cisco, with their home market products like the linksys routers are just scrapping by.

Be first, Be Different....

Tom Greenleaf
Ultimate Carjunky / Moderator
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Jul 29, 2005, 11:56 AM

Post #7 of 7 (2794 views)
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I agree too,

This thread stirs great emotions both ways polititcal or not. Can't recall right now but I saw that we pay farmers NOT to farm. Fact - they are so good at it that they get about the same crop of whatever out of probably 1/4 of the land and the rest is becoming forest again! If we are that smart let's get going!!

Just FYI - again - I'm a Pilgram to USA, my ancestors came here in protest of Brittish rule. Hey we are all friends again - that I like. Lets use our voting power and common sense to solve some problems. I don't want to get too political but if you don't vote - don't complain--- and shame on you --- lots of people died for your right to do so!!!!!!

I have a lot of respect for that! Any of us can have different opionions on issues and we can thank a lot of lost souls for the right to change things.

SmileKeep on keeping on, Tom

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