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Power steering bolt nightmare! HELP!! [2002 Mazda Protege 2.0L Manual]
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hamking
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Nov 7, 2011, 2:10 PM
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Power steering bolt nightmare! HELP!! [2002 Mazda Protege 2.0L Manual]
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Well, I've been at this sucker for a while now. This was my third attempt and it still has not budged. Saw someone on amazon say Crowsfoot wrench head helped them get their stuck power steering hose off, so I thought I'd try it. Finally got my crowsfoot socket set in the mail and a free weekend to try this out. I was finally able to generate adequate torque on this bolt by affixing my vice-grips firmly to the upper bolt and placing the end of the vice grips under the alternator to hold it in place. Cranking on the lower bolt with my socket attached to crowsfoot, I was able to generate enough torque to…. strip the bolt. Looks like it was too effective, and the bolt is too rusted and stuck. This was after soaking the bolt with several coatings of PB blaster and waiting 20 minutes for it to sink in. I’ve got a new power steering HP hose/cable that I am going to be replacing this old rusted one with. I just cannot, for the life of me, get this bolt off, and now it is stripped. What do I do now??? Even if I cut this thing off with a torch, how would I get this rusted bolt end out? It needs to come out before I can install my new hose. Looking for some good, sure-fire ideas here!! This is the third attempt I’ve made to get this bolt off. I want to make sure my 4th attempt will be successful. How would a professional mechanic take this off?? All ideas welcome.. PLEASE HELP!
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Hammer Time
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Nov 7, 2011, 2:37 PM
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If you keep using that tool you'll be buying every line in the car. That's what they make tubing wrenches for but you have to do it before you have destroyed the fitting. It ooks like that one was already seized anyway. You're going to have to replace both lines. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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re-tired
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Nov 7, 2011, 2:59 PM
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And when you go to replace the lines ,buy a set of quality metric line wrenches (craftsman is good for the DIY crowd) LIFE'S SHORT GO FISH
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By the looks of that picture, than nut is already done. MAYBE a Snap On line wrench or crows foot MIGHT get it. Vise grips or a pipe wrench is one of the last options that would be used, while realizing that the nut/bolt heat is going be rendered unusable.. ALWAYS use a wrench or socket to hold it & to try to loosen it........Vise grips, etc destroy fasteners... This one I would try a S/O line wrench. Next I would get the line up high enough to hold one end & use a pipe wrench on the nut. Next I would cut the line & use a S/O socket on the nut. Next I'd take the other end off, put it in a vise, rap it a few time with an air hammer & use a pipe wrench. Last I would tell the writer to call the customer & sell the other line & put a new one on it...
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BTW *****Those were some great photos , really helped us understand your problem.Wish all posters were as helpful. LIFE'S SHORT GO FISH
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Nov 7, 2011, 10:20 PM
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Those are very good pictures. Infact as I kept scrolling down I was expecting to see something like this next: Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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I've fought with flare nuts w vehicles just a few years old in this rust belt. Frequently/usually it's the line inside the nut stopping the show. That's where the PB goes. Threads of the nut will probably behave. A fluid line such as this glowing heat is not a good option. IDK, is there room for a tubing cutter (hack saw would leave filings - no) then use a quality six point socket to remove it? Sometimes when rounded you can force a socket the WRONG exact size from either a metric or SAE selection and get a good grab on those then replace the line entirely. Put a smear of high temp grease where a flare nut is on the line AND on the threads in case you are back there again it will just undo. Flare nut wrenches and crow foot flare nut sockets a must. If 5-6 point can't get on an already destroyed hex. Tis an art to fight with those. Most are undercar where I am, T
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Nov 8, 2011, 5:58 AM
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I betcha dry ice would break that loose. Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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Nov 8, 2011, 6:45 AM
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Very interesting idea! Shrink instead of expand - never tried it but in real tough or flammables a great thought, T
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A cleaner way is to spray liquid refrigerant on it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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Another interesting idea! Side tap on computer duster would make it legal but never had a side tap hold any remaining product T
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Hammer Time
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Just attach a hose to a 30 pounder for us. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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Flare nuts where used are not making the seal by threads but rather the tube being held tight to receiving other part. The nut should spin free but when salted road water get in there the nut sticks to the line and even if you can turn the nut the line can twist up and wreck it. Compression fitting should be legal for all but fuel carrying line. Most of the troubles I've had were brake line issues and the twisted line thing. Tubing with flare nuts is really using the inside of the line not outside metal. With the flaring tool and proper union you can make a legal line or replace it totally to other end as many don't have room to go back on line to a good spot and have room without jumping thru hoops. The fix for high pressure items really needs to be done right and fuel line doesn't allow compression splices nor hose and clamps trickery, T
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Hmmmmmm that's a good idea, I never used dry ice before..... How hard is it to get a hold of?? I think Desi's idea would probably work good as well, I'll have to give it a shot.... This is one tool on the list that I would've had along time ago if I was in the "rust belt" Mini Ductor II
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Just so the poster knows what the goal is here, the freezing would be applied to the inside part to shrink it away from the outer part and give the threads clearance. It will do no good at all if both parts are cooled. The same principle with heat. The intent is to heat the outer part and expand it away from the inside. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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hamking
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Nov 8, 2011, 12:48 PM
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Does anyone have any experience with CRC Freeze Off (or similar products)? Looks like a good idea in theory: http://youtu.be/vKEVE0bwP5U
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It looks like a can of refrigerant with penetrating oil mixed in. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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You could make a little tray for your fitting to sit in it. Then fill it with dry ice. Try your local grocery store. They may carry it. Don't touch it with your bare hands. Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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Dry ice is very dangerous to handle and I really don't see a way to hit one fitting and not the other. If you freeze both fittings, you haven't accomplished anything. I don't think we should be giving advice like that here. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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Theoretically it shrinks the outside fitting first breaking the rust loose. The refrigerant idea would work better because it is a lot easier to control. The freeze sprays are also effective. Dry ice is the archaic way. I'd like to try the mini ductor as SID linked. Sid have you used that? Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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The Dry Ice method does work but as stated its dangerous and could cause more damage. The refridgerant method is good along with the other suggestions here. *******ASE Master Automotive Technician, L-1, L-2 and a lot of wallpaper too :-)******
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