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johnny916
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I seem to be having a problem getting the transmission & TC fitted onto the drive plate (flywheel). Everything bolts on fine, but once I torque the initial two lower transmission mounting bolts the BLACK METAL GASKET (between the drive plate and engine) seems to butt right up against the drive plate. So, when I go to turn the crankshaft the engine is locked up and I cannot even get the rest of the torque converter bolts on.
Yes, I double and triple checked that the torque converter is properly seated.
Yes, I torqued the transmission bolts precisely to specs. (47 ft lbs.)
Yes, I took off the whole transmission and TC and inspected the drive plate. When the transmission is off there is some clearance between the drive plate and the BLACK METAL GASKET, however the distance is not exact all the way around, nevertheless, there is some clearance.
Yes, the old transmission bolted on and the crankshaft turned fine (else I wouldn’t be able to get the TC bolts off).
Yes, when I loosen the transmission bolts and back the transmission back a little the crankshaft will turn, but then there’s a minute space left between the transmission and the engine!
Here are the specs on the vehicle: 1997 Toyota Corolla 1.6L base model, 3 speed automatic transmission (4AFE). Looks like the transmission I am installing has been recently rebuilt, it’s very clean and still has stickers.
Any help would be much appreciated, John A.
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Oct 28, 2011, 8:22 PM
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Is that an A131L transaxle?
They have the AISIN and the Toyota Version of that transaxle. There should be a serial tag. If it is on the edge of the bellhousing, it's AISIN. If it is on the case it's Toyota. What are the digits on the tag?
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johnny916
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Oct 28, 2011, 8:41 PM
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I do remember seeing digits on the endge of the bell housing, is it the wrong transmission? Should I send it back to the wrecker who sold it to me??
I'll look tomorrow, I'm not at my shop right now.
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Well, they also had an A132L transmission that was bolted to the 3e-e engine that looks identical to the A131L. I honestly don't know the physical difference between the two and if there were changes between the years, but they did have different torque converter stall speeds.
You may also be able to measure the distance from the front of the converter to the edge of the bellhousing using a straight edge and tape measure to compare it to the transaxle you pulled out.
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I did that measurement and it was in specs according to alldata, but didn't compre to the old one.
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Oct 30, 2011, 9:45 PM
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UPDATE: Just removed the torque converter and compared it to the old one.. They are IDENTIICAL..
Could I have a wrong transmission!??
Maybe they sent me a 4sp instead of a 3sp?
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It looks like the wrong tranny to me, but thats just me.
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To be honest my 1st thought when I read this thread was you didn't have the converter seated properly. You said you've double & triple checked so we'll have to go with that.
DS has pretty much covered all the bases so it's down to the wrong tranny or the converter isn't seated properly. Do you still have the old tranny there? If you do, do as DS said & compare the 2, measure the distance of the seated converter to the bellhousing.
There really isn't any converters around like the old Chrys, those ones you had to set the tranny on it's tailshaft to seat the converter due to the floating gears in the converter so that shouldn't be an issue. If everything else checks out, just for the hellva it, try that, even tho you shouldn't have to do that.....
My database is down but maybe someone else could confirm this but I believe between the 2 different trannys, one has the serial # sideways right on the edge of the bellhousing & the other one is back on the right upper side of the case...That would be another way to tell if you have a different one...
I'm sure you've done these before & know there has to be that "gap" between the converter & flex plate before you bolt it up with everything seated & tight...
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The new one that I got does have numbers on the edge of the bell housing while my old transmission does NOT.
Here are the numbers on the new transmission I got from a wrecker: EW39302 B and what's weird is they are somehow etched in someone's handing writing..
As for my old transmission, the damn thing is so dirty I can't read the numbers without cleaning it off, but does this mean I might have a 4speed instead of a 3speed 4FE?
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Hopefully this will help you ID what you have
Toyota also produces a A131L but the serial # is in the same place as the A132L.
DS has a pretty good handle on this so I'll try not to derail the thread
If the serial # matches I have just a couple of quick questions.
Have you done much tranny work? How did you seat the converter? What happened while you were seating it?
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Sorry guys, it turned out the TC wasn't lodge into the transmission fully. I bolted it down, but now here's another nuiscance.. The torque converter bolts seem to stick out too far because I tried to put that plastic hole plug back in and when I rotated the engine I can see the TC bolts hitting the plastic and moving it towards me.
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You sure those are the bolts for the converter? I don't remember converter bolts having lock washers on them.
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Man either DS is psychic or has killer eyesight but I agree I haven't seen lock washers on converter bolts & that would make them stick too far out....
Is that shield bent there at the top on left???? On the leftside it sure looks like it's real close to the flexplate, that would account for cover being hit but nothing else. If it is, just get a couple of pry bars & bend it back in place....
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I think it is bent towards the engine, somehow else pointed out this from lack of having the torque converter on properly.
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It's hard to see in the picture it just looks like it's close to the flexplate on that one side but the converter not seated could've of bent it. The flexplate is between the converter & the plate & it's bolted to the crank so for that to have happened, it would've destroyed the flexplate.....
Did you find out why it was hitting??? As DS mentioned there shouldn't be any lock washer on those converter bolts...
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Nov 20, 2011, 10:40 PM
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When I installed the transmission the first time apparently I broke the pump and bent the drive plate by not having the TC installed properly AND forcing the transmission in.
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"Ouch"....That sucks.... I've been there before, not a fun place to be........
Sounds like you got a handle on the problem, so that's cool..
Thx 4 taking the time to come back here and let us know what the final solutions was.....
I'm guessing you can make real good time on R&Ring a Toyota tranny now....
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