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05 Jetta STIFF shifting, difficult to reverse


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r0k
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Jun 17, 2016, 7:29 PM

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05 Jetta STIFF shifting, difficult to reverse Sign In

VW 2005 Jetta GLS 5spd MK4 2.0 BEV engine 180k km

So the cars been sitting for probably 6 months, and ive been doing some work to get it ready for registration. I degreased the engine bay probably a month ago and the car was difficult to get into reverse a week or two following it. Now, its difficult, or should i say weird to get into first. I actually have to use two hands to get it to go side to side, and to get into first i need to push down on the shifter (as if im going into reverse). Reverse is almost non existent. Whenever i shift where reverse should be, im going in first. If I try for a long time i can get into reverse, but it takes alot of force/trial and error. No grinding.
I dont know what the heck is happening. It hasn't been driven hard (like ever) and the clutch feels ok. I sorta tried one of those adjustments but i dont think i actually adjusted anything, because it seems like there was no slack and i didn't want to force anything. I also couldn't really get the black lever to go upright. Im very confused. Tranny oil probably has never been changed. I tried spraying the shifter bushings with white lithium grease, made the up and down shifts smoother than they already were, but side to side is still like moving a stick through tar.
Heres a video of me shifting it, before i attempted the adjustment. https://youtu.be/gxx__diwN0k This item http://imgur.com/h5p69gW is not going up or down very easily as I saw in the dieselgeek video. It takes some force to get it to go up and down, and im not quite sure if its linkages or what, but it seems springy in the video but mine is not.
Please help me it would mean the world. Its sorta undriveable atm. I'm sick to my stomach because i want to be driving this car so bad, and probably dropped 1k on it (suspension, brakes, stereo) just for the transmission to have these problems.


Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 17, 2016, 9:15 PM

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Re: 05 Jetta STIFF shifting, difficult to reverse Sign In

Quote you">>I degreased the engine bay probably a month ago and the car was difficult to get into reverse a week or two following it.<<"


That was a brilliant move - NOT! Would you put you "computer device" thru a dishwasher with oven cleaner on it? About the same level of thinking. Never mind shifting that could likely cause a host of assorted problems for some time to come.


OK - If you want to anything try this:


1. High chance of being an hydraulic clutch linkage. Make sure it's full as marked. If way too low that's the problem - repair indicated for sure.


2. If it shifts with engine off no problem clutch is NOT disengaging and attempting to you are risking the transmission's health in total.


In short it's probably not the shifting linkage but rather the clutch isn't releasing. Hydraulic failure of master, slave or flex hose. NBD except most are a real pain to bleed out air when repaired. Shouldn't be the world to just have this done at any decent professional shop,


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r0k
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Jun 18, 2016, 7:12 AM

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Re: 05 Jetta STIFF shifting, difficult to reverse Sign In

In retrospect i shouldn't have done the degreasing, although i did cover up the sensitive areas, i didn't just let loose. Being in IT, I would put my computer in any liquid, providing it was not receiving power and washed off with something non conductive/with little conductivity.

The car shifts when the engine is off just as it does when it is on. When it is on, it actually gets slightly easier. Going up and down with the shifter is as smooth as my friend's 3 month old golf with the same transmission. The problem comes with side to side, the gears feel like theyve all shifted to the left with 5th being where 3rd would have been, 3rd being where 1st should be and 1st being where reverse should be while reverse is nearly impossible to find.

I'll check the clutch fluid, but i thought it was a closed system. it is hydraulic.

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Jun 18, 2016, 7:59 AM

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Sorry about being harsh on washing engine. The dang oily mess they become unless out of control or a leak actually can help things. The solvent washes off needed lube, shorts out electrical things. Keep in mine a whole fleet of new vehicles if flooded alone even clean water are declared unfixable and junked!


You so clearly have a clutch issue now that you said it's fine w engine off. It's may be full of fluid and still do this. If you have a helper push the clutch pedal watch - it probably doesn't move much or if held for a bit with pedal still slowly lets itself up!


It's actually common. Master cylinder works like they do for brakes. Slave cylinder at a fork of some kind pushed clutch to release hydraulically. Any violation of making pressure then fail. Trouble as said it they can be real hard to bleed air out if all new or just removed for any reason and needs it normally.


Try if you want and would begin with a guess of slave cylinder first. They are about all self adjusting. If you knew how or had lots of funky plugs and stuff you could block where line pressure comes from master and rule it in or out to target which. If cheap enough do both or I would.


Just look and bet that 's it. Hope it's not a tricky one to do any of it,


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r0k
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Jun 18, 2016, 8:07 AM

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Re: 05 Jetta STIFF shifting, difficult to reverse Sign In

I think you've misunderstood.
The car shifts fine when the engine is ON, and OFF. When the engine is ON the same issue persists as when off- it is hard to move the shifter side to side. When it is lined up with a gate, whether ON or OFF it shifts better than Dad's new golf with the same 5spd. It is slightly slightly EASIER to shift when the engine is ON, than OFF.

To reiterate, the engine being ON does not cause this issue.

The clutch feels normal, as it has for the past 10 years according to my father.
I'll still take a look at this master cylinder later today.


Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 18, 2016, 8:17 AM

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Eeek - I did misread you - sorry. When engines are off clutches of any type don't matter much for shifting. This is a linkage problem that could be inside car or elsewhere from what you see easily? Can't say just how you get to look inside from up top thru a console if equipped or from underside at what probably plain broke. Unsure of the fix as you should at some point be able to see the problem with stuff out of the way watching it,


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r0k
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Jun 18, 2016, 8:06 PM

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I took the airbox out so i could get a better look at it, and it seems like this L shaped thing (shifter tower?) is not moving very freely. Everything i see says it should be like a spring, different from how it actually is. It takes alot of force for it to move up/down, which is the side to side motion on the shifter knob...

Heres a video outlining what i found, not sure how to proceed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_Xx0IZH8rg

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Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 19, 2016, 2:14 AM

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You video you are still under the hood. I really think the problem is where it moves at the base of the shifter knob/handle not under the hood so barking up the wrong tree if you will right now.


IDK - the area full of forks, springs and tumblers under knob is exposed to corrosion, weather or what and would be looking as already said for the problem there,


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r0k
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Jun 21, 2016, 11:54 AM

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Re: 05 Jetta STIFF shifting, difficult to reverse Sign In

I detached the cables to my shift stick in the car and it works flawlessly, smoother than butter so I know its not that for sure..

I took some **** apart today and i'm going to hazard a guess that its the bushings like these http://www.dieselgeek.com/...shift-1j0711067l.htm attached to side to side linkage. Only thing is, I cant friggen get the thing out! I tried a hammer, prying with a screw driver, pulling etc and only got it like 2mm out, but that thing is stuck in there! How do i get it off?? In every video it slides out, but this feels like it is concreted in!
Heres a link to the photo instead- http://i.imgur.com/XLFlXmF.jpg


(This post was edited by r0k on Jun 21, 2016, 1:03 PM)


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Jun 21, 2016, 12:00 PM

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Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 21, 2016, 12:43 PM

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I can make a WAG as good as anyone. See the slot in it? With the rod out (of course) you would squeeze a thing like that and turn CC should decrease its OD.
I'm looking at pic 2 in that. You do have the rod out of that or is that what's stuck?


T
(pic will never show for me but if room and shifter rod stuck in there with the plastic bushing is there room for a puller like a battery clamp puller knowing any hidden metal locking item is removed?
Pic......
^^^^ Was there,
If no show those should be everywhere if it would fit and push out the metal then deal with the bushing)



(This post was edited by Tom Greenleaf on Jun 21, 2016, 12:51 PM)


r0k
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Jun 21, 2016, 1:08 PM

Post #12 of 15 (835 views)
Re: 05 Jetta STIFF shifting, difficult to reverse Sign In

The rod is what is stuck. It's attached to the rest of the selector thing that connects it to the linkage (slightly more rusted peice in photo), which I need out to remove the bushings. I hate forcing it and theres not much room to give it taps with a hammer. I don't know what tool to use for this type of issue..

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Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 21, 2016, 1:40 PM

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OK - can just sense the problem. It shouldn't be rusted or exposed to be able to IMO at all so you may end up looking for a new rod then whatever keeps that area free from getting wet or however it's protected.


I don't consider that stuff a routine maintenance thing in general but would if I was at something like that depending on just what.


That plastic has to be some incredible grade of plastic for constant motion on it + tolerate high heat and way below zero cold as well.


Man this is hard pics or not without looking right at this. Yes - I have tools and that would be out by now. Non pros just aren't going to have the insane assortment of stuff for crap like this.


Just an FYI on "steel" rust. It's oxidizing metal unlike you might think say a rusted nail even is thicker than the same one that isn't. Oxidization is an addition of material first till it falls off or breaks. So it's not the roughness that makes something like this stick it's too fat for the bushing right now.


Second problem will be to prevent this from rusting again. If it washed out once it will again - how long an unknown. Something isn't sealing it or just sitting getting cold to a humim warm up sitting there gets dew all over that area that doesn't dry out well.


When we get there consider water proof lubes - there are some you can get I'd use anyway and do.


One more. Heat probably is NOT a good thing for this thing and place it's in so keep trying,


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r0k
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Jun 22, 2016, 9:13 AM

Post #14 of 15 (808 views)
Re: 05 Jetta STIFF shifting, difficult to reverse Sign In

Hopefully this video will help illustrate the issue-
https://youtu.be/Mg0EK8HClGA
It's really stuck in there, and yeah it is supposed to rotate in that plastic bushing although a common upgrade is brass/metal ones. I don't even know if it's rust either. I bought some liquid wrench penetrating oil but after an overnight soak, still stuck. I've hammered it, pryed, etc but this thing is stuck on there better than my hands are to my body.


(This post was edited by r0k on Jun 22, 2016, 9:14 AM)


Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 22, 2016, 9:57 AM

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Arggh! It's not likely from engine degreasing - too stuck too early for that and location.
That's probably as good of a video as you can do short of pointing with something how much room that rod has to move at all towards in pic the top. Is there enough room and free-play in that rod to move far enough anyway? The pointed end is all you should be pushing on. If somehow there a snap ring hidden and now jamming it I would think with HUGE channel lock type pliers you could push it back out the 2mm you once mentioned.


Easy with the hammer. When if even can strike that hard enough you may be bulging it inside. Can you even hit it that hard where it is? Doubt it.


In with the parts link this entire item was shown as if you could buy the whole assembly. I really can't explain why that could be quite that stuck. Doesn't appear like the others and cast housing may not be meant to turn in total.


OK - prior post I thought you were inside where the shifter knob would be not still under the hood.


Not sure of next move except for help. The little nut that might be part of taking this whole thing out may easily just bust off a threaded part stud a real pest to redo.


Lost mostly for you. Just FYI by far the best penetrating oil is PB = Power Blaster by name on can. It's dangerously strong, hard on many plastics and might remove paint so if you try that and suggest owning the product just because anyway I'd use a Q-Tip and wet that away from car. The last one I bought didn't use a nozzle spray tube just a blast all over and by chance found the brand Gummout's top sprayer with tube fits exactly so always use that or Q-Tips. WD-40 better as a light lube than for already stuck things IMO and great just not for this. Other penetrating oils are mostly just Kerosene with some oil in them compared to PB. That's a rust killer. It that sucker is bent or swollen metal from attempts it wont fix that.


Can you go to a junkyard and play with another one not yours & maybe find all this stuff good as you might need it or parts of it.


Kinda new IMO for a junk yard to let you touch a whole engine trans still in a vehicle as they should want it left intact for whole unit sale not small items attached like that quite this new and would be declared a useless engine/trans somehow or would have already pulled it for separate sale whole,


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