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ordinarydad
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Jun 20, 2011, 5:41 PM

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A/C Sign In

Hi, I have a 91 Park Ave. A/C is charged up but control panel only works in economy setting. Fan blows hard but no air comes out. I've replaced the dash control panel but no change. What else could it be?
Thanks.
Steve


Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 20, 2011, 5:48 PM

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Re: A/C Sign In

Hmmm? If no air and only works on the "econ" request which should be compressor won't come on then diverter doors may have a problem or other wiring. Can you get air out defroster ducts or heater ducts - anything?

T



ordinarydad
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Jun 20, 2011, 6:29 PM

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Tom,
Bare with me. AC is cool but little air flow. Little air flow problem thru defrost vents although appropriate switches for heat light properly.

ordinarydad, Steve


Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 20, 2011, 10:36 PM

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Not sure what to check next if new control head is working then duct doors may not be or all plugged up over the years with small debris blocking air flow or possibly a critter nest if this can even try to change modes.

Sometimes you can just remove blower motor and find mess right there. Blower on this is under hood on passenger's side and shouldn't be hard to get motor and the cage out to inspect if that sounds possible. If the new controls head isn't messed up or wiring to it messed up somehow it's something easy enough to rule out,

T



ordinarydad
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Jun 22, 2011, 7:28 PM

Post #5 of 7 (2369 views)
Re: A/C Sign In

I may have not given you all the info. I did have the freon charged up. The mechanic could not get the controls to work so he bypassed a relay so the compresser stays on all the time. There is a disconnect to unhook it in the winter. He thought either the control pannel or the computer may be shot and need to be replaced in order to get the A/C controls to work again. I did find a used control pannel and hooked it up but there was no change. Would the only other fix be to replace the A/C computer? BTW I have no idea where that is.

Again Thanks,
Steve


Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 22, 2011, 8:50 PM

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Now I'm confused which can be easy. Whether compressor works or not air should blow thru ducts requested at the force requested. Whether it can cool or not is another thing.

If this is now bypassed for constant compressor or rigged somehow such that it won't shut down it will choke on itself if too cold out and it decides not you and needs to. No body control module that I know of in 1991. This is either the control head, wiring problem or broken actuators for ducts among things already mentioned,

T



Double J
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Jun 23, 2011, 11:14 AM

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Re: A/C Sign In

   

See if this helps you at all....

#91-1-17: A/C CLUTCH INOPERATIVE AND DISPLAY

SWITCHES TO ECONOMY - (Dec 20, 1991)

SUBJECT: HVAC HAS NO A/C CLUTCH OPERATION AND

DISPLAY SWITCHES TO ECONOMY MODE

MODELS AFFECTED: 1991 PARK AVENUE/ULTRA EQUIPPED

WITH CJ2 OPTION -------------------------------------------------

----------------------------

CONDITION:

---------- A/C does not operate, no HVAC codes are stored and controller switches to "Econ"

Mode.

CAUSE A: Pressure cycling switch cycles too fast. --------

CORRECTION:

----------- 1. Verify A/C System state of charge is correct. 2. Correct intermittent electrical

condition (Refer to text). 3. Repair short to ground in the compressor circuit.

CIRCUIT OPERATION

The programmer sends a voltage (9-12V) out terminal D4 through the Hi Pressure cutout

switch, through the pressure cycling switch, to terminal D11 of the PCM requesting the PCM to

turn on the A/C compressor clutch. When the PCM sees this voltage, it turns the clutch on and

when the voltage disappears, the PCM disables the clutch. Normal operation results in a steady

voltage out of the programmer when it wants the clutch on. This voltage is turned on and off by

the pressure cycling switch as required by the refrigerant pressures. The PCM also monitors

how fast the pressure cycling switch cycles. If the cycling occurs too fast, the PCM sets a Code

66 and disables the compressor until corrective measures have been affected. If the PCM sees

the failure in three consecutive ignition cycles, the code will permanently disable the AUTO

mode until repairs are made.

The PCM assumes that the rapid cycling of the voltage is due to a low state of refrigerant

charge in the system causing the cycling switch to open and close rapidly. The PCM will keep

the clutch disengaged and send the programmer a message over the serial data stream (circ.

800) telling the programmer why it has turned the clutch off. When the programmer receives

this message, it will stop sending voltage out terminal D4 and force the control panel to "ECON"

mode. If "AUTO" is then attempted to be re-selected, the programmer will force "ECON" to

continuously reappear until the problem has been corrected and the Code 66 cleared from the

PCM along with going through the "Clear Codes" function (OC3) in the climate control on-board

diagnostics. The "Clear Codes" function must be completed even though the on-board

diagnostics show "00" in the code display. The problem could be the result of a low state of

charge, an intermittent electrical connection, or a short to ground on the compressor request

circuit.

CAUSE B:

The programmer believes the system has no refrigerant because the feedback signal from D4

was not received at Pin C3 after 30 min. of operation.

CORRECTION:

----------- 1. Verify A/C system state of charge. 2. Repair feedback circuit wiring (see text). 3.

Clear codes

CIRCUIT OPERATION

The other condition that will cause the programmer to force "ECON" when "AUTO" is selected is

when the programmer does not get the correct feedback signal on the low refrigerant input.

When the programmer requests "A/C" (sends a voltage out on terminal D4), it looks at the

feedback signal (terminal C3), that runs from splice S294 in circuit 67 to terminal C3 of the

programmer. If the programmer is sending out a voltage on terminal D4, then it should see a

voltage come back on terminal C3.

If, after 30 minutes above 70 degrees, the programmer has not seen a voltage on terminal C3,

it assumes there is no refrigerant in the system because the pressure cycling switch is always

open. Under this condition, the programmer forces itself into the "ECON" mode and stops

sending a voltage out of terminal D4. This condition will be present until the problem is

corrected and the programmer "Clear Code" (03C) function in the on-board diagnostics is

completed. The condition could be caused by a very low state of charge, or an open or short to

ground in circuits 762, 66, 204 or 67. The "Clear Codes" function must be completed, even

though the on-board diagnostics show 00 in the code display. Note that it will take 30 minutes

before this condition can reoccur and there will be no codes set in the HVAC or PCM.








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