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new tires causing a thud,thud,thud when turning left


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dennishazard
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Feb 10, 2016, 8:32 PM

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98 dodge Durango 193,000 miles 5.9 engine
once again I need help, been running 31x10.5x15 mud tires on my Durango since I had it, like 5 yrs. I wanted to get away from the noise and price, so yesterday I had some 235x75x15 xl's put on which are the right tires for it.
never had a problem with the mud tires, but now when I make a left hand turn I am hearing a thud like noise, which seems like its coming from the left wheel well, it only happens when turning left.
can anyone give me any ideas on what the problem could be?????????????
thank you very much
Dennis .....from Wisconsin
p.s. the noise keeps going until I complete my turn


Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 10, 2016, 11:35 PM

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Does this feel like wheel isn't round by chance? IDK so need to check some things. Try just hoisting wheels with new tires and spin them by hand noting how true the rim is by eye or better if you can. What I'm trying to rule out is the rotor of the brake is loose enough to allow rust unseen to fall down and then when wheel is put back on it's all wrong - feels lousy and warped.
It still should spin and you and might hear a busy sound of bad bearing. Without load of vehicle on it that might show nothing.
Rule out brake problems with wheel off and have to remove caliper and rotor not just a peek with it together. Lube up while there, remove any rust from hub and inside rotors.
A CV joint should be a snapping sound worse under load and turning. Any could be the problem up to a bad tire but there aren't that many really bad and out of round of defective tires right away.
Stinks - you get new tires and expect all will be better but can bring out issues you didn't know you had!


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dennishazard
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Feb 11, 2016, 7:13 AM

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Ok tom , i will check into theses, thanks once again for your help


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Feb 11, 2016, 7:47 AM

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Sorry it can mean checking all those things as a pest but need to know why. I used to do new tires a lot thru another tire only shop and what happens when nothing is noticed before new tires and correct ones put on (you said they were) tires are fine and the old ones can wear into a flaw and go unnoticed! Then that crap with rust but only on rotors and drums that pull off and are not stuck tight from rust already or bolted tight. Just changing a tire or rotating tires that can happen. Stinks for tire only shops that might not have the techs ready to dismantle brakes for that rust flake issue I mentioned.
If you do this and find that was it do yourself a favor: Take all rotors that are just loose on hubs with wheel off and be pro-active by scraping down hub and inside where it touches rotor. Smear the least amount of high temp grease on parts that have nothing to do with friction of brakes just where it does that and it will not happen again to same set. It takes time to be able to be a problem but very common to me,


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dennishazard
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Feb 13, 2016, 9:28 AM

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this is my problem, but is it pittman arm or inner tierod ??????????? thanks


dennishazard
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Feb 13, 2016, 9:29 AM

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I tried to post a pic but didn't work


dennishazard
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Feb 13, 2016, 9:41 AM

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dennishazard
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Feb 13, 2016, 9:43 AM

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I don't know if I should replace Pittman arm or tie rod, or both, but this is causing the thud noise when turning left


Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 13, 2016, 10:37 AM

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Any moving part of front end - steering parts with freeplay must be replaced. That one you would easily see it move with steering the car. Ball joints you must hoist just so to take the load off to check properly and do so for all joints.
Some "Pitman" arms replacements really don't require an alignment or change alignment - others do so one highly recommended. Do check joints now or you need to redo the alignment for one not found and they should in doing an alignment.
Alone this part being worn out is NOT a common cause for a feeling or noise so much but any worn stuff would make any changes feel better or worse like new tires. The wobble from a brake rotor still stands. Just check if rotor is turning true which can only happen if loose to hub - most frozen in place or fastened in place so do not do what mentioned,


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dennishazard
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Feb 13, 2016, 10:59 AM

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Ok tom I'll check this out this after noon, I'm hoping by the picture I sent,
That it's the pitman arm I need to replace ? I will take off the tires to see what's going on with the rotors, thanks


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Feb 13, 2016, 11:35 AM

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If working with a floor jack and stands just spin the wheel while on and hold a screwdriver or something against fender while wheel and all turns. If metal of wheel not tire shows wobble, called "run out" by eye it's off and would be a lot if you see it easily and would feel that.


The joints - need to know how to check them. No wear looseness allowed - that joint is gone if seen.


Should know but you want weight of vehicle on the lower control arm on almost all not the frame of this as that can make it show no play. Just support vehicle close to lower ball joints where known strong with a jack stand and pry up on tire and wheel (helper is nice) and look at it. {instert here, if coil spring is on top of upper control arms you check with vehicle's weight held up be chassis or frame. Do both ways in question.


Side important note: Some grease-able joints in assorted vehicles you can't get at all fittings without steering the car as they point right at something. A or B - they make "L" grease fittings or other angles to put there or always know that you need to steer it to get at them all.


This is where the oil change places that brag speed are going to fail and just not grease joints that aren't easy! More is that some new joints will have grease fittings and OE ones didn't so might no look for them so too important. IMO - THERE'S ALMOST NO REASON A GREASABLE JOINT SHOULD WEAR OUT FOR TONS OF MILES, USE AND DECADES! Use waterproof (marine) or synthetic grease all the time and often - more often than oil change times if need be.


The cost of some joints is high plus alignments one by one for not doing this makes it worth the effort.


Trivia and true: For all my time - mega years of working on cars, trucks, machines, I've only seen ONE greasable joint wear out that wasn't already bad when I was taking care of a vehicle and that one was defective from new as I did it, miles recorded and owner was in ever 3,000 miles on the dot and it was dangerously worn in ONE year. That is so rare as said.
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As you see I'm not agreeing with just miles, time for wear. One thing that is a killer is water and dunking joints in water or from spray which is why you want water proof (still needs redoing) grease. Cheap grease dissolves in plain water but takes some time but less than the intervals most folks would do,


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