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MANUAL TRANSMISSION vs REMOTE STARTER


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Jan 10, 2008, 5:36 PM

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Is it true that you can't put remote starters in manual cars? I just bought an alarm/remote starter combo ..96 integra - some mechanics say 'no you can't' and some say 'ya i can do it but...'

where does the BUT come it, can it ruin the engine?

(thanks)


Zeet
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Jan 30, 2008, 12:47 AM

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There are some that make remote starters for manual transmissions. Off hand, I can think of Ultrastart for a brand name. From what I understand, they have a "Stop and go" feature built in that take a few steps to activate it properly.

You have to engage the E-break, press the remote button, then pull the key out (engine stays running), you get out and close the door, within a time frame it will turn off the engine and be ready to remote start. If anything changes (Door opens, hood opens, break pedal pushed down) it will deactivate the remote starter function. Getting out and closeing the door before it activates will make sure it is not left in gear.

Sounds like it will work to me.


dougcreel
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Jan 31, 2008, 3:36 PM

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 i had one on a manual but i had to take off the cluch swich and i dont recommend it becuse i left it in gear and it drove off into the river wean i crunk it up


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Feb 2, 2008, 5:55 PM

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Yeah I got a little story about remote starter on a standard cars:
A colleague of mine at work nicely offered me his tuned up Sub WRX to go grab some food at diner time. Hand break was loose so i automatically parked the car in first gear. Later on my colleague started his car remotely and the starter was strong enough to bring the engine to a start . it ended up hitting a brand new BMW X3 causing few thousands of damage on it. the WRX's front bumper was also screwed Now the guy wants me to share the costs of the damage... what do you guys think?? I'd like to hear what you'd do if you were me.

Fred


Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 3, 2008, 2:08 AM

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Is this to say this person later remotly started his own car and it took off? I don't approve of these devices at all but the owner should be aware if it could do that and should have fixed it or disabled it if the device couldn't be trusted. If nothing else this is a good lesson in "don't drive or borrow someone else's car" type thing. Perhaps just let insurance handle it,

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fdorais
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Feb 3, 2008, 8:48 AM

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Thanks for your comment Tom. Yes the guy remotely started his own car and it took of. He even later told me that the same thing happenned to his brother with that same car... You're right, this is a lesson learnt. However, the only thing that bugs me is that he "offered" me his car. I would have otherwise never asked for anybody's car.

Question: how do these remote starters on manual cars work? Is there a sensor that verifies that the transmission is not in gear?

Fred


Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 3, 2008, 10:25 AM

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The "Get up and Go" of COMMON SENSE obviously "Got up and Went" Crazy I would believe that several makes of cars would know know which gear the transmission is in. I also recall some vehicles had mechanical devices such that you couldn't remove the ignition key unless the car was in REVERSE and all the automatics I know of don't allow the key to be removed without being in PARK. There were several cars that were designed to be able to remove the key with the engine running, driving or just sitting still but that has ceased.

I'm about sure that when I got a driver's license oh so long ago now that a car was to be parked with parking brake applied, in park or a gear if a standard, and wheels pointed at a curb such that it wouldn't likely roll away out of control if something happened with it unattended.

I'm not a judge for this but do believe the responsibility belongs to the person who holds the controls at the time. Basically they are an accident waiting to happen.

Thought du jour............ "The brilliance of a candle loses nothing if used to light another" ----- Obviously along the line one blew out! Have a great day,

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Feb 16, 2008, 12:09 AM

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i have a remote star on my 93 honda civic and yes is manual trany it can be install just don't leave it in gear cuz it will run away from you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![shocked][laugh]


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May 2, 2009, 5:25 PM

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when you wire up a remote start to a manual transmission you must place the vehicle in neutral and apply the e brake. if you forget and leave it in gear the e brake will hold the car at least enough to stall it. the trick is to hook the neutral safety wire that goes to the automatic transmission, to the e brake sensor. if you forget the brake the car will not start. this will prevent your car from driving away with no driver!!!


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May 2, 2009, 8:05 PM

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The only problem I see with your theory is the manual tranny with a clutch switch some how magically turns into an automatic tranny with a neutral safety switch.

Remote starting systems on manual trannys are very bad idea..... Damn just read a few replies in this tread.

Now if you serious hurt or kill someone then ya better google the term "negligence" cuz pleading "ignorance" won't get you outta that one






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May 12, 2009, 5:53 PM

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I had a remote start on a '98 Dodge Ram 1500 manual. It took off on me once when I was showing a friend. The truck actually started in gear. Luckily I was in a loading dock area and there were no semi's in front of me. After the initial shock, I was able to shut it off via the remote with no damage. No one ever drove my truck except my cousin, and I would unhook it when he drove it (he didn't know how to hook it back up). Even after being at a mechanic or muffler shop, I would not remote start it until I had been in the truck and was the last one to drive it.

I then sold the truck to a company I did business with. They were aware of the remote start, and I even told them I would unhook the whole thing except for the alarm part. They insisted it was fine. Just to make sure I wasn't liable, I unplugged the wire going to the coil pack, then cut the wire for the valet mode (wasn't going to remote start no matter what). One of the employees saw what I did, hooked it all back up, then was showing off to a friend. The truck was in gear, started and took off. It took out the fence on the side of it and went into the street where it hit a car going by.

Needless to say, the company was mad as hell and wanted me to pay for the damage because I didn't yank the remote start out. I had them sign a piece of paper when I sold the truck that it had remote start and they were aware of this, I had unhooked it, and if they hooked it back up, I wasn't liable.

It was nice to have remote start as all I drive are manual transmissions. If you do put a remote start on a standard, DO NOT remote start it after someone else has driven it, and make sure to put some kind of bypass switch in that completely shuts it off so whoever is driving it doesn't accidentally (or purposely) remote start it, friend or mechanic. I would advise against it, but if you do do it, be aware that you are responsible for anything that may happen as a result as long as the vehicle is in your name.


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May 15, 2009, 7:52 PM

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I am an Installer at a large electronic company (with the big yellow tag). You can install a remote start on most manual cars and bypass the clutch if it is a car that requires the clutch to be pressed in to start. I installed one on my accord and I just put in the e-brake safety. I would always recommend not remote starting you car unless you are the last person to drive it.


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May 18, 2009, 11:30 AM

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okay, i have installed remote starters on 3 different manual transmission vehicles, 2 s10's and a ford f150. and it can be done easily, all you need is a safety bypass, and what you have to do is called an exit procedure when you get out of your vehicle. if you do not do this, or someone opens your door or hood between the time you do the procedure and the time you press the button it will not start. i live live in an area the is winter 10 months a year and average temp is -35 C so remote starts are damn near neccesary.


Loren Champlain Sr
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May 18, 2009, 7:53 PM

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>> live in an area the is winter 10 months a year and average temp is -35 C << Siberia?
Loren
SW Washington


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Jun 11, 2009, 11:11 AM

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SAFETY..means its there for your PROTECTION and NOT to be BYPASSED!!!!! DUHH!!

End of story!!


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Jun 11, 2009, 11:20 AM

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SAFETY..means its there for your PROTECTION and NOT to be BYPASSED!!!!! DUHH!!

End of story!!


You are prob. the same bunch of IDIOTS (and I use that term loosly!) that like to BYPASS the safty features on the mobile video units.

when you mame or kill someone...it will too late then!!


Loren Champlain Sr
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Jun 11, 2009, 5:51 PM

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>>safty features on the mobile video units. << Mobile video units have safety features? Was unaware of this.Unsure But, I agree with you. Bypassing any safety system is wrong. The vehicle manufacturers will never make cars IDIOT proof, though. Too bad that they don't make drivers take an IQ test before licensing. LOL
Loren
SW Washington


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Jun 11, 2009, 6:47 PM

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Watch the Guest Loren. They like to talk to themselves.Wink



Being way2old is why I need help from younger minds


Loren Champlain Sr
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Jun 11, 2009, 7:18 PM

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No big deal. I talk to myself all of the time.Wink Sometimes, I even respond to the voices.Unsure
Loren
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JJL
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Sep 1, 2009, 7:40 AM

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CompuStar makes a few award winning car starters with tons of alarm features that are specifically designed to to start a manual transmition safely. I had a 95' integra with such alarm for 7 years. Awesome alarm.


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Sep 1, 2009, 11:34 AM

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Heck, I expected to see "two identical cars, except one is manual transmission and the other has remote start, which should I buy?" That would have been simple.


senator29
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Dec 10, 2009, 9:32 PM

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i would think you would need to put in a little creativity when installing a remote starter on a manual tranny car.

I just now purchased a remote starter for my girlfriend's car which is a manual.

she is not auto savvy per say so i must make it accident proof.

HOW? I am installing a cut off switch to the shifter in some fashion. what it will do is replace the clutch switch. so basically she will no longer have to push the clutch in to start but it must NOT be in gear. the switch will be a design that is fail safe. if the switch fails or breaks it will only fail off. car in neutral is when the switch is on allowing start.
most likely this will be some custom contraption. i have not made it yet.

and why the hell do car manufacturers not have atleast a buzzer for when you get out of a manual car when the ebrake i not on? i will be fixing that as well.




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