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dave284
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Jan 28, 2008, 9:57 AM
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Lincoln struts/airbag
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Hey Tom, How hard would it be to to install air bags for the suspention on a 95 Lincoln mark Vlll? I haven't done one before. I know this is your kind of car. BTW still sick but feeling better
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 28, 2008, 10:54 AM
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I have to plead dunno for sure - never worked on any of those for anything. Is this an air spring or an air bagged strut set up? I just tried to get a pic of what they look like and fell short too?? The air spring should be straight forward and the air struts on at least the Continental set up was catastrophically EXPENSIVE!! These should be the same as most regular springs or struts for replacement. Ones that don't use a coil spring at all drop like a kittie dragging butt whey the blow out - I know that! Perhaps way2old or DanD has a procedure for this or have done them.
Hey - get well soon!
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dave284
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Jan 28, 2008, 10:56 AM
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Tom, never mind the air bags , installing conversion kit no-air. The guy who has this car also wants to change the front brakes from shoes to pads on 63 Lincoln convertable, I wouldn't know way before my time,any suggestions.?
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 28, 2008, 11:37 AM
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Get the air out is a great idea! I avoid those like the plague! I don't think you can on the Continentals but the Mark should be more like a T-Bird or Cougar around then.
The 63 I'm pretty sure is drum front brakes. Bearings in the drum, inner/outer and would look familiar with I think just one wheel cylinder on top. The early discs I think started in 64 and not sure which if any Lincolns. T-Bird had disc in all 64s up - those were a pill to rebuild calipers.
For the 63 you can get about everything new. If stuck the one stop shop is Baker's Auto, Putnam, CT -WWW.BakersAuto.com or email Sales@BakersAuto.com - tell Steve O. I said HI!
Funny About Lincolns: Town Car was just a trim package name just once in the 50s and once in the 60s. They were Continentals (full size), Mark was a different bird. 1980 was the first Town Car only as a body/chassis name for the car itself. Continental was once a Grenada, and a Taurus platform! Go figure??
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dave284
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Jan 28, 2008, 2:58 PM
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Tom, feeling better by the hour. The guy haven't towed it here yet ,but waiting to see it one repair at a time, my glass is already overfilled.I have just got a front grill for the 95 lincoln $150 from savage yard and the owner delivered the strut conversion kit. When I start on the 63 let you know.
THANKS TOM
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Jan 28, 2008, 3:38 PM
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Hi guys them set ups are extremely expensive to replace. I have an account with arnott industries . Look them up for future issues they have very Well Priced conversion kits . come complete and easy to install . I dont work for them but I have used em and my experience was great .
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 29, 2008, 12:48 AM
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http://www.arnottindustries.com/...sion_Parts_yid2.html
That Arnott site is clickable above. Worth archiving on this thread as the air bag suspension will be an ongoing headache for these and other cars.............
T
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dave284
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Jan 29, 2008, 10:58 AM
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Tell me about it. I've had worked on 6 cads past 2 months 
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Tom Greenleaf
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Just FYI: Air level has been around since at least the 60s. Just air shocks and rods to sense height at diff and an air pump/pressure release. Two Conts 89+90 failed with the air strut - no spring and hit so low it chewed up the rear tires!! Nice idea Ford! A Town car came here with them blown out - guy with zero bucks and you couldn't roll a golf ball under the thing!
There are features good and bad with every vehicle - I just wish someone would put them all in one vehicle!
Love the slogans over the years..........
GM "Keep your GM car all GM" Jay Leno ---- Why! GM couldn't do it right - why not let someone else's parts try??
Ford has a better idea! --- I'm still waiting!
A fav.... "This is not your Father's Oldsmobile" Me- damn tootin because your Father's Oldsmobile could suck that peice of crap thru the air cleaner and spit it out the exhaust and not cough!! ( I owned a boring 98 with HO 455 W-30 ((special order request -365bhp)) package that blew the doors off almost everything)
LOL,
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Jan 29, 2008, 1:24 PM
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Hey Tom / everybody...
I owned a few 98's in my time....
MAN... When you put a boot in their a**...they would flat out sh** and git.....
Here's another fav...." Chevrolet ..." The Heartbeat of America"... good slogan if it was used back in the 50's,60's or early 70's but not in the 90's...lol....they changed it in the 90's to " Genuine Chevrolet"...lol...genuine what? crap?
I hope my heart beats a lot better than that.
Thanks for the laugh....
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dave284
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Jan 29, 2008, 8:19 PM
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Yea,my heart lies with the older 70s 455 wildcats it could over heat 3 times before any damage would result, the engine / head pure steel not like the cars today( beer cans on wheels) I know the 90s car backfire onetime every thing on it goes to heck I was kinda a buick man back then
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 29, 2008, 11:18 PM
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Did I hear "Wildcat?"
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dave284
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Jan 30, 2008, 8:11 AM
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EYE CANDY!
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dave284
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I was removing the front struts and notice the upper ball joints shot. Can these be pressed out or do I have to replace the whole control arm? I want to make sure before I remove them. BTW since I'm installing these non-air struts is there a way to disable the ride control service display warning?
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  Duralast / Ball Joint - Upper
Warranty - LLT FA4071 $73.99 Application: Driver side Note: Arm & joint
Dave - Unless I clicked around wrong this is one piece and not so expensive to try to do just the joint. I don't really know the best way to get rid of the dash light and bet the bulb is hard to get at.........not sure but sometimes best to keep a blown bulb in the socket on some things,
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Thats the part, I had a feeling it would be a one piece. And for the warning light it appears as words just like the ones on the cadillacs , I'm thinking this vehicle would have a ride control module. If so ,by disconnecting it would it stop the messages comming on?
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Jan 31, 2008, 7:16 AM
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Right - It might need to be plugged in - once again don't know for sure. Before any of these cars I knew a couple people who really did take a screwdriver and hammer it in thru the dash to put out the damn lights! Ahhhh - don't do that
Didn't this car come with a feature that lowered the whole car an inch at a certain speed? That could be in conjuction with other adjustment and I'm full of "I don't know for sure on that" and it might not be a separate module,
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Jan 31, 2008, 7:45 AM
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Tom I'm in the same boat, theres not much that I know about the ride control system on this one, the sensors looks the same as on a cad. and if the system is intergrated with the engine speed ,thats another kick in the @ss. I wonder if the people that sold the owner the struts would have any info. ?
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Jan 31, 2008, 10:04 AM
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Tidbit on this: I test drove one in 1993 brand new (was that first year for this?) with and for a customer and recall that this car lowered 1" at about 50-55 mph (thought that was slow at the time) for reduced wind resistance and may also have had a setting for "firm" vs "norm" handling control (Some T-Birds did) and we did have to go to the nearest interstate to even drive at any speed and dealer allowed us to.
He drove the car. I never noticed the lowering thing and he was a nut and took the sucker up over 100mph and held it there - no problem and I clearly recall with all vents, radio and things off the car was silent inside!!
None-the-less it almost certainly routed vehicle speed thru some control module for this crap. I serviced his cars for years and he didn't buy this one or I'd have known more about the things. For practical purposes cars just don't need to sustain speeds over 80 mph anywhere in the US that I know of so it's kind of stupid and expensive to design them for that for the US market.
Hey - even Kitty doesn't need that kind of speed. She leaves that to her relatives - "the Jaguars" 
T
(This post was edited by Tom Greenleaf on Jan 31, 2008, 10:32 AM)
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