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petet1234
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Aug 8, 2012, 9:21 PM
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Is there a way to tell if I have a sheared drive gear or bent valve with out putting the time and money replacing the timing belt first?
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Aug 8, 2012, 9:24 PM
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More than likely. You won't be absolutely sure until you remove the timing cover and see it.
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Aug 8, 2012, 9:33 PM
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You can't loosen the valve train on that one to check to see if you have bent valves. That one has a rocker arm shaft assembly and is near impossible to check for bent valves without making sure both valves are closed on each cylinder you test with a leakage tester. Best way would be to install a new belt and run a compression check on all the cylinders to check for bent valves. It's not a very easy engine to work on. It is an interference engine in which means the valves open farther, so the pistons can smack into them when they get out of time.
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Aug 8, 2012, 9:33 PM
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So until I remove the timing cover I won't know if I have a sheared drive gear? If I do am I really screwed? Like throw the van away screwed? No way to tell about the valves until I fix the belt?
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Aug 8, 2012, 9:35 PM
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Like I typed earlier if you take the oil cap off and look at the camshaft while someone cranks it and you see it turn, then you might have a sheared distributor drive gear. The heads will have to come off if the valves are bent and sent to a machine shop. Not cheap either.
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Aug 8, 2012, 9:37 PM
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So I guess i'm not going to work tomorrow. Do you think I should get the belt cover off and check to make sure before I buy anything? Thanks again for the help
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So after getting the repair book and looking how to do it online it was to big of a job for me so I sent it out to get fixed they quoted me 550.00 ended up 845.00 including water pump housing. I picked it up this past Wed. took it somewhere else for a free oil change and all was going well until today I drove it a hour away and on my way home I hit a quick heavy rain and soon after it looked like water was still coming out the back. I got near my house and at every turn the oil light went on and off I pulled into my driveway and you can hear the tapping of the engine. I'm not sure yet were the leak is coming from the dip stick is dry. In the morning i'm gonna jack it up and see but it's all wet under the car.
Any tips to help find the leak?
It always had a small oil leak (about a quart every 2 months) Don't know were from.
I know the lube place could have messed up but when they changed the belt could they have done something wrong?
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Wow, you just get it running again and you end up with this? You stated the dipstick was dry. Make sure the drain plug is tight. Make sure the oil filter is tight. Put oil in it and start it up. You should be able to see any oil leaks. Hopefully, the engine is ok.
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Aug 18, 2012, 8:28 PM
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I'm not going to do anything until morning when I have light and shes cooled down. When they changed the belt could they have done something wrong or missed something?
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Won't know until you check it out.
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Aug 19, 2012, 5:16 AM
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I put oil in it and I have a steady drip between the oil pan and the crankshaft pulley. All the oil pan bolts including the drain are tight. Do you think it's just the oil pan gasket or the front oil seal? Do you think somehow the garage that replaced the belt messed up somewhere?
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That front Crankshaft area IS you oil pump. It sounds like the front seal is blown out. I don't know if they got involved with this area or not but they didn't need to for a timing belt or water pump although they would have been in the area.
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I don't know about all the shops out there, but our shop usually replaces the cam and crank seals when we do a timing belt job. They could of nicked a seal upon installation if they did in fact change the seals. Look on your repair bill. If there is a part price list, look for seals.
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Wow, I've been away from this thread for a bit. I also change all the seals when I do this job to prevent trouble later. I hope you didn't get it low enough on oil to do permanent damage. Definately find out if they replaced the seal during the repair.
By the way, the SOHC 3.0 they put in this van is freewheeling. Its the DOHC they put in the cars that was interference. My friend has the exact same van and the belt snapped right after christmas. Had to change the timing set in his unheated garage when it was below zero. Runs like a champ now.
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Aug 19, 2012, 8:04 AM
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Thanks guys. I know they didn't change any seals the only thing they said should be changed besides the timing belt was the water pump. Then later they called and said the water pump housing was cracked so I had them change that to. I have it down at firestone right now they are doing a free leak test. The shop that did the belt is closed today and I had to use the van to get to work today. Do you think it was this shops fault somehow?
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With HT on that one. If it was cracked before it came in then you would've been blowing through a lot of coolant. Your timing belt drives the water pump and it should always be replaced when changing the timing belt anyway due to the low expense of the part and high cost in labor should it fail later. I also think they should've replaced the cam and crank seals when they did the timing for the same reason you are seeing now. When the timing belt was off the front main seal is accessable by simply sliding the crank gear off the crank. Its fast to change and a cheap part.
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I'm suspecting that there was some type of failure during the job that may have both wrecked the water pump housing and jammed the belt into the seal. At the very least, someone cracked the housing during disassembly.
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Aug 19, 2012, 9:06 AM
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So firestone said they can't do anything for it. They thing the crank my be bent or the bearing is going? They don't think it's the seal at all?
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Aug 19, 2012, 9:39 AM
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I went down and got the van and I went into detail with them about the other shop and the timing belt now they say the other shop screwed it up and nicked the seal or something and they should fix it.
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You're picking all the wrong shops, aren't you?
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Yeah I had 4 people tell me how great this shop is and they have a ton of great online reviews. They also win the best shop in st augustine every year. Like 6 years in a row. So I thought I was safe
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I doubt you'll be any better off at Firestone either.
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The only reason I took it to firestone was to just see were the leak was coming from. It was free and it was a good thing I did because they just re did the store and they are doing a grand opening and while I was their I won a ipad
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Just thought i'd update this. The shop agreed it was their fault and replaced the bad seal. They also installed another new timing belt because the other one got oil on it. She is back and running very well. Thanks again for the help
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