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Could lug nuts come loose with vibration form a loose axle or form axle oil leaking?
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moonchildonmars
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Jan 6, 2009, 11:06 PM
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Could lug nuts come loose with vibration form a loose axle or form axle oil leaking?
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I had 4 tires replaced on my 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo with 197499.0 miles
On Christmas Eve driving for MI to NY my tire started to sound funny I thought I had a flat tire. Drive off the freeway and looked at the tires everything look Ok.
Drove a little ways down the Rd the tire still sounds funny. Look a 2nd time to discover that the front left tire was sitting at a 45-degree angle with 3 lug nut missing. Had the car towed to a service center. When I was there the service guy showed me that my axle was loose in the differential and I didn’t have a front drive shaft. To my understanding this make the jeep 2-wheel drive car vs. a 4x4. And has no affect on the lug nut coming loose. With is what I was also told by the service guy. He also told me the reason the tire was sitting at a 45 degree angle was because the lug nuts where not tighten right. At this time I got the jeep fixed 5 new blots 5 new lug nut but they didn’t have a new rim in stock. He also inspected all parts involved with the tire including the bearings.
I had them put the bad rim on the back and when on my way.
When I came back to MI. I took the jeep back to the first place that put on my tires to have them replace the damage Rim.
They told me that the tire came off because of the vibration of the loose axle.
(There was no damage on the tire that the 2 service center put on the front in replace of the damage rim that is now sitting on the back of the car).
After a day they returned the car to my husband with a post on the invoice “ Unsafe to drive, L/F axle has been cut with saw, front axle drive shaft “ + “axle seals leaking, front axle missing parts” also adding “important! Lug nuts must be re – Torque after 25 miles customer acknowledgement” they didn’t tell him it was UNSAFE to drive or any thing listed above. But they paid for the new rim.
With brings me to way I need help. I trying to get back the cost of the tow, the bolts, the lug nuts, and Labor.
Could lug nuts come loose with vibration form a loose axle or form axle oil leaking?
Is there any other thing that could cause lug nuts to come off?
Thanks
Moonchild and Mars
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 7, 2009, 3:19 AM
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Re: Could lug nuts come loose with vibration form a loose axle or form axle oil leaking?
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IMO - lug nuts won't loosen from vibrations if properly tightened to begin with. There ARE torque specs for lug nuts and suggestions by some vehicle makers to recheck that torque after they have been driven or sometimes even periodically.
LEFT side lug nuts if loose will continue to loosen vs RIGHT side ones tend not to in equal conditions.
It's also in question whether 5 of 5 studs and lugs should be replaced or the hub repaced.
More: Corrosion between wheel and hub can leave a false sense of the nuts being tight! That needs to be known ok first when wheel is off for any reason,
T
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Loren Champlain Sr
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Jan 7, 2009, 5:13 PM
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Re: Could lug nuts come loose with vibration form a loose axle or form axle oil leaking?
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I'm confused. Is your Jeep 4X4 or 2X4? If it's 4X4, what happened to the front driveshaft? It's normal for the front axle (assuming it's 4X4) to move in and out of the front differential a bit. With independent front suspension, it has to be able to. Left front axle has been cut with a saw? What's up with that? As Tom stated, if the lug nuts were tightened properly, this shouldn't have happened. If the front driveshaft was missing, the front axles would be 'free wheeling' and be of no consequence. The axle seals leaking would have nothing to do with it, either. To quote Tom: I'm not there, I can't see what they are seeing. But, sounds to me that you are having the wool pulled over your eyes.
Loren
SW Washington
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moonchildonmars
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Jan 8, 2009, 12:51 AM
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Re: Could lug nuts come loose with vibration form a loose axle or form axle oil leaking?
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Tom .. the studs and lugs have been replaced. No hub replacement
Loren .. it is a 4x4. with out a front driveshaft. so now it’s a rear wheel drive jeep.
I don’t know what happened to the driveshaft it’s not on the car
I just got the car for a $1. (the guy thought the jeep had a cracked block it was just the radiator.)
I also don't know why it was cut with a saw.
The axle is moving 1 inch up and down. And is missing CV boot as far as I can see.
the 1st place would not tell me what parts are missing on the axle when I went back today to have the lug nut re Torque.
And yes I think there trying something funny too
thanks
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 8, 2009, 1:29 AM
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"Tom .. the studs and lugs have been replaced. No hub replacement"
I know - what was on my mind was that there is/was a rule of thumb that if more than two were called for you tossed the hub as the integrity of the unit could be questionable. The splined pressed in stud style isn't really meant to replace them even though the parts are available. The holes they are pressed into aren't really designed for multiple replacements. Probably safe with the higher risk being that they could spin and not allow the nut to remove,
T
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Loren Champlain Sr
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Jan 8, 2009, 4:42 PM
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Re: Could lug nuts come loose with vibration form a loose axle or form axle oil leaking?
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Not trying to beat a dead horse, but I'm still concerned about that front axle. You said it is moving up and down about an inch? That would suggest to me that either a very bad wheel bearing, very bad u-joint at either end, or the axle was actually 'sawed' in two? None of those scenarios are good. Even though it's now a 2X4 that front axle has to be there, so, have a reputable shop check it out and give you the truth.
Loren
SW Washington
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