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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 21, 2022, 7:24 PM

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This is being more of a pest than it should be. No access to Oxy/Acet? That's the answer IMO as it's so fast to get metal glowing it's soft when that hot, just for seconds.

This bolt must have gone all fubar inside somehow whole units may be needed?

Heat: HT said you would (if you had it) Oxy/Acet you glow a nut not the bolt or threaded parts but are near a rubber bushing so if not just right would ruin that.

All this to save a buck anyone would like to IMO is lack of right tools this shouldn't be that hard now with hours into it normally apart in few minutes IMO,

Tom

BTW: If and or when use of glowing heat is the answer the hardness of hardware like that is lost no longer fit for reuse for front end or suspension parts.....


Hammer Time
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Aug 21, 2022, 7:28 PM

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Tom, did you read the responses. The nut is long gone. It appears to be stuck in the bushing.



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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 21, 2022, 7:44 PM

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Saw that. IDK, it must have stripped itself inside bore of the hole, welded inside or now spinning in rubber bushing?

At some point this whole unit may need to come out be tossed for used or new as if it was some collision repair?

We know what glowing heat can do is also super dangerous IDK how far from fuel line vapor or liquid lines CAN'T be nearby.

In short I think the bolt morphed shape inside the hole it goes thru this is too hard going for what it is so far?

Tom


MikeC81
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Aug 24, 2022, 3:12 AM

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If the nut is completely gone, then it's seized in the control arm. Does the bolt feel springy when you try to turn it?

If that is the case you should be able to pull the control arm right out with the bolt still in it. Use a pry bar under it.

That bolt isn't going to come out of that bushing so you're either going to get a new bushing and bolt or the whole control are and new bolt.


No the bolt doesn't feel springy. My step-dad came over last night to see what was going on to help out.

We did get the bolt head to where it is flush enough to get a pry bar behind it. Something is keeping the bolt from coming out still.

What worked the best was torching the back of the bolt until red hot, wedging a pry bar behind the end of the bolt to apply pressure out while the other ratchet with the cheater bar because of the difficulty.

Without the pry bar behind it, the bolt would actually advance forward despite going counter clockwise. The good news is we were able to push it back to it's previous position pretty easy.

So nothing left is threaded and we do have free rotation with the bolt. It is not seized to the inside of the bushing. Despite all that, something is still preventing it from coming out.

So we end up grinding the end of the lower ball joint off so we can maneuver the LCA down to make sure the weight of the LCA is not putting additional pressure (I have a replacement LCA). Still no change.

So I ended up soaking everything in PB blaster last night and will try again this morning

I will keep updating. It would be neat if I could post a small vid it'd explain a lot quick.

My step dad's conclusion is we're 'cutting rust'.. this is Pennsylvania rust belt. What a joy


(This post was edited by MikeC81 on Aug 24, 2022, 3:15 AM)


Hammer Time
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Aug 24, 2022, 4:10 AM

Post #30 of 34 (334 views)
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At this point the bolt is seized in the bushing of the control arm. When you torch the head of the bolt you are just melting the bushing. You should be able to pull the whole control arm out with the bolt still in it.



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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 24, 2022, 4:31 AM

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May not show but bushing should look like that, pressed in heavy metal of LCA.

Can you just cut that bolt to take LCA off or no tools that would do that? Heat wasn't your friend, couldn't be fast enough it's just spinning inside this (the bolt) already wrecked this bushing no doubt.

Whole arm comes with bushing(s) of course more $$ that bushing was under $30 didn't check the whole web about it.

Notes: That rust scene is actually average the metals around there look strong - should it's a 2010. Easy on PB may not be helping rather melting the rubber of these bushings making a really sticky glue or IDK PB is nasty strong stuff also destroys paints, many plastics and rubber - try it.

Shop by shop what would they do? Each choose a plan with what's in front of them bet cut it in the cards now?

Be done in shorter time than the for less waste than already send you off for an alignment if they don't do them use some other place - tire dedicated places usually do all their own at least around me.

I don't think you are saving a buck DIYing this anymore,
Tom


MikeC81
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Aug 24, 2022, 7:50 AM

Post #32 of 34 (322 views)
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If the nut is completely gone, then it's seized in the control arm. Does the bolt feel springy when you try to turn it?

If that is the case you should be able to pull the control arm right out with the bolt still in it. Use a pry bar under it.

That bolt isn't going to come out of that bushing so you're either going to get a new bushing and bolt or the whole control are and new bolt.




Bolt's out! It took two of us using a combination of torch, free all rust remover, chisel with hammer, and what ultimately worked was the air hammer once I got enough clearance after using it on the back of the bolt.

What a juggernaut thanks for all the help everyone


Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 24, 2022, 8:27 AM

Post #33 of 34 (319 views)
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Persistence paid off. OMG that was dunked is salted water somehow it seems?
Do yourself a favor and use a waterproof grease on body of new bolt if anything I'll use that gasket shellac on threaded parts is that brown molasses stuff behaves like thread locker to a point.

If you have plenty hardware to choose from they make "thread locking" ones or if no way (have a few) bend it a little in a vice - not too much so it's sticky but works without harm to bolt.

This crap takes up all the time with such work when rust is involved all bets off what tricks to pull but you can prevent it from ever being a problem again.

Good luck - you won,

Tom


Hammer Time
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Aug 24, 2022, 8:44 AM

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Glad to hear you got it.

Closing this now as solved.



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