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90' Bonneville 3.8L V6; sluggish lunges, popping in engine
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Hammer Time
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Oct 22, 2010, 12:29 PM
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Re: 90' Bonneville 3.8L V6; sluggish lunges, popping in engine
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I'm sorry too................... sorry we ever tried to help you. If you think all tech are out to rip you off, go fix your car yourself.
(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Oct 22, 2010, 12:29 PM)
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Sidom
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Oct 22, 2010, 1:25 PM
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Re: 90' Bonneville 3.8L V6; sluggish lunges, popping in engine
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Well there seems to be a misunderstanding going on here and I think I'm right in the mix as well.... I'm sure I must be misunderstanding that last line in your post and hopefully I'm not taking it the way you meant.....
There was a point in this business the other have been trying to relay to you that they see everyday that you probably aren't aware of. It's something I see as well and even while I may understand it....... I really don't get it.
There is a percentage of people that for whatever reason do not want to pay a fee to have someone tell them is wrong with there car. There is that idea that cars are easy to work on and the meat & potatoes is in the repair and for the most part that is true. My water pump is dumping water out the bleeder hole. Why on God's green earth am I going to pay a shop $30 to tell me this?
That is what this site is for, while R&Ring a pump may be no big deal for you, this is a huge deal for other people and this is definitely something we can we can help them accomplish, it may take 110 posts but usually gets done.
Then there is the intermittent driveability problem that doesn't really ring any bells for anyone.... So there is some basic steps that we suggest to help narrow the field a bit and here is where the trouble can start. Some do have some basic tools & experience to test some systems to find the problem and sometimes it works out good. Then others with some experience but not the proper tools to check the system so we are left with guessing.. And you know something, if we are talking about a common failure on a car, lets say a P0340 on a Dodge Neon that cuts out intermittently. I honestly wouldn't have a problem having the guy take a gamble on a cmp sensor. There is a 80 to 90% chance that is his problem and since he doesn't have a scope. He's faced with a $100 diag compared to a $70 dollar sensor....Sure take the shot, it's worth the gamble.
But you take a problem, I'm not really sure of, then I'm not so comfortable gambling someones money on blind guesses...... You go back to the top....I offered a few suggestions....CH came in with a restricted exhaust suggestion...... That was as a very good suggestion that needed to be looked at. That's the thing with this thread, no one here is seeing something jump out so they are doing the next best thing,,,,,,test the system and find the problem......
Now to the thing I don't get......You only have to go thru this forum to confirm this...... I have seen dozens of posts where sensors, fuel pumps even computers have been blindly thrown at problems and fixed nothing...... I don't get why someone will throw hundreds & hundred of dollars at a problem and then come here and be willing to throw hundreds more.
I don't get it but I do understand it....... It's very simple....
Why would I pay shop $100 to tell me what's wrong with my car? That is a total ripoff! They should tell me for free and I refuse to pay.
You know, this might not be you, you did mention you have a tech you will go to so that is better than some of these guys on here throwing the farm at it..... If you go back to your post maybe now you will see that it sort of looks like that is what you were getting ready to do.... You did requalify your statement but at 1st you just mentioned a new problem that you were going try a temp sensor for, for no other reason than to try it (the tech wasn't mentioned) so actually CH was really trying to keep you from wasting some money here....
I've seen people spend hundreds and even thousands of dollars guessing and be wrong................. So that is where that tech-retailer comment came from...... Hopefully throwing boat loads of money at a problem sounds nuts to you and something you would never do BUT guess what there are people out there that do that.....
All you need to do is go thru these forums and you'll see them.....
Your last statement comes off to me that you feel you are owed an apology because your time is worth more than ours and we are expected to be giving you free advise??????
Tell me I'm reading that wrong.......
(This post was edited by Sidom on Oct 22, 2010, 1:29 PM)
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Hammer Time
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Oct 22, 2010, 1:42 PM
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Re: 90' Bonneville 3.8L V6; sluggish lunges, popping in engine
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You know what the problem is. Some of these people think they are entitled to free professional help and just don't appreciate anything. Let him go pay the $90 an hour that our help is really worth. I'm tired of people complaining about free help like they have some kind of right to our time and the right to insult us if they don't like the advice.
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Sidom
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Oct 22, 2010, 1:47 PM
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Re: 90' Bonneville 3.8L V6; sluggish lunges, popping in engine
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You know.....That's the way I took his last statement as well..... I really hope it was just worded wrong & not what he meant...
Since I'm not being paid for this & doing it on my own time, I don't see where I would really be forced to give anyone free advise..
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d4nnyb0y02
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Oct 22, 2010, 2:07 PM
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Re: 90' Bonneville 3.8L V6; sluggish lunges, popping in engine
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I don't think all techs are out to rip me off, and I never said that. I see they're all getting together and gang up now, with more assumptions. I never said I think techs are trying to rip me off, nor did I suggest just throwing parts are a car haphazardly. Both of these were assumed. In fact, I know the one I regularly go to is not. For that reason, I always have paid him MORE than what he asks on a bill. He is the one who suggested putting on a new coolant temp sensor. Now, if people weren't busy assuming I thought techs were out to rip everyone off and that I was throwing pointless parts at a car, we'd be square. I was just looking for some suggestions on how to fix a legitimate issue, and when I tried to convey that another issue was unrelated and I was trying to fix it another way, it was ASSUMED that I was trying to throw money at a car--like caution to the wind--and haphazardly doing pointless things to my car. I'm sure that happens, and I've actually been guilty of doing that (not just w/ cars, we make mistakes, we're all human). But, the thought that I was doing this here was an assumption, and a wrong one.
I'm not the kind of person who really think he is owed anything, even when he is wronged, but I appreciate it when it seems in order. Therefore, being wronged here, I do not feel am owed an apology, as much as I feel one is in order. Owed gives a sense of entitlement I can't really say I have. It is nice however when people see when they have wronged, and admit it anyways.
I was not rejecting the free advice (why would I? This is a forum. This is why I am here), but rather the attitude that the assumptions made in my direction, for reasons I'm not really sure of. Apparantly because of a deep disdain for people doing this thing I am being accused of for no reason. I have no doubt I could search the forums and find them. You'd know better than me.
Advise, free or otherwise, it's unnecessary, the assumptions and condescension is unnecessary. If you don't want to give advice... then don't do it. If you think giving free advice entitles you to do so, perhaps your charity isn't as charitable as you thought. I fix computers, I build them from the ground up from parts. I know the kind of people you are talking about. I appreciate my mechanic and I show him so by paying him more than what he asks. We all have our own realm of expertise, and cars aren't mind so I come for advice. Again, it's not the advice I was rejecting. Sounds like someone is having a bad case of the Fridays, or something. I never complained about free help... I'm sure some people do, but I only complained about the ATTITUDE and the ASSUMPTIONS made about me for no real good reason.
(This post was edited by d4nnyb0y02 on Oct 22, 2010, 2:15 PM)
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Sidom
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Oct 22, 2010, 2:37 PM
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Re: 90' Bonneville 3.8L V6; sluggish lunges, popping in engine
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I didn't see anywhere where anyone thinks you think techs are dishonest so I'm not sure where that is coming from.
The only time the word was used was in my general statement on why I think some flat refuse to pay for a diag to the point of spending double, triple or more (not fixing the problem) than what a diag would've cost.
I don't think you are one of these people but since you aren't a tech, I would be interested in your theory on this why you think someone would spend so much avoiding paying a diag fee. (unless of course it's the same as my theory)
Now you have to take the posts in the context & time when they were posted. This is a direct quote from your post (#12)
As far as the hard cold start goes (like, in cold weather cold start...) I was going to try a coolant temp sensor.
Like I said, you did come in and requalify the statement but at this point, what in this statement suggests anything other than throwing a part at a problem?
Like I mentioned, some gambles are worth a shot until it gets to a point of spending more on parts than what it would've cost to just get it checked out..
While a temp sensor alone isn't a bad gamble and after the fact you did mention your tech suggested so now it doesn't look like as blind of guess as original thought but it's still a guess unless the tech when in and check a datastream, rev volt & the signal & ground lines...
I haven't talked with CH but would be will to bet when he read this statement he thought the same thing I did....This guy is getting ready to start throwing parts at this without checking anything 1st......
I think there was some misunderstanding going on here on both sides.....
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