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toolman0007
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Feb 12, 2014, 4:24 PM

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  my lovely little friend is back..03 honda element standard shift . is there a way of testing the starter on this thing with out removing it
had a rotted off neg cable on the motor side replaced that but no change not sure about switches on interior clutch arm. have voltage on one of the two, but only in crank mode. it will start with rolling jump. any info would be greatly appreciated


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Feb 12, 2014, 4:40 PM

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How is pos cable going to starter? Could show voltage but no amps delivered?


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toolman0007
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Feb 12, 2014, 4:58 PM

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the cable on neg side of battery has two wires one 8 Ga and one larger. smaller one goes to fender and the other goes down to the bottom of the motor. the only places I have checked for voltage is on the two switches under the dash on the clutch peddle arm mount. neutral safety switches is what I am thinking. I know there is power at the starter. (long probe) with test light. the starter is under the intake, and to get to it for replacement. it's my understanding the intake and throttle body must be removed. I have looked at it and think it could be done by removal of radiator and cooling fan Assembly and grill. but not 100%


toolman0007
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Feb 12, 2014, 6:26 PM

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been doing a bit of checking. A system or item called the immobilizer ( thinking anti theft) car not recognizing the key
could also be a problem. any one have in put on this


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Feb 12, 2014, 7:09 PM

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To make this easy on yourself, find the starter cut relay in the underdash relay box. Make all your checks at the relay cavity. You can even bypass and send power down the starter solenoid circuit to see if the starter runs. Just make sure you have the transmission in neutral with the parking brake on. That will tell you if everything after the relay on the load side is working and gives you direction in your diagnosis.

If the immobolizer is active the starter still operates, but the PCM disables fuel to the engine.





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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Feb 12, 2014, 7:10 PM)


toolman0007
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Feb 12, 2014, 7:27 PM

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with out looking at it yet. would you know which leg on the relay is the one to solenoid. ?


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Feb 12, 2014, 7:42 PM

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Not off the top of my head. You'll have to pull the relay and see what numbers are printed to denote terminals.





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toolman0007
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Feb 12, 2014, 10:28 PM

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  ok after a bit ...found the relay. jumped it, black and white to selenoide nothing at the starter. checked relay with stethoscope click's every time key is turned and clutch depressed. my understanding is jump and have action at starter relay is bad, no action on starter, starter is bad. Nice little am job....NOT LOL


toolman0007
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Feb 12, 2014, 10:34 PM

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 that was suppose to be jumped with relay out of cavity yes. or left in place and jumped from behind


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Feb 13, 2014, 5:52 AM

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If the relay is clicking that means you have control. You can jump the circuit going to the starter solenoid after removing the starter cut out relay. Make sure that you have power from the ignition switch on the load contact side of the relay. If you jump power to the starter solenoid circuit and the starter does nothing, you need to go down to the starter and make your checks there. Have you been able to do a tap test on the starter motor while someone is attempting to crank the engine?





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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Feb 13, 2014, 5:54 AM)


toolman0007
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Feb 13, 2014, 12:17 PM

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ok consider this one resolved. it was the starter. the connection between solenoid and starter was fried and melted
from each other. thinking the larger ground cable that was rotted off at the lower part of the motor had a hand in that.
thanks again for the help


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Feb 13, 2014, 12:46 PM

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Closed as resolved



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