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heinz57
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Mar 14, 2011, 10:08 AM
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Pulled all plugs turned engine by hand and used dowell to find TDC, same time marked damper and motor, used finger in plug hole until blew out, all three match up. Do have to bump starter to get gears to mesh, do this with gears only partially engaged and rotor pointed to #1. Have replaced two other distributors in Ford 300 6l and never had this problem.
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Mar 14, 2011, 12:12 PM
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Just want to be sure . the wsy you wrote it is out of order... With plugs out ...turn eng by hand with finger in #1 spark plug hole...........as soon as you feel air pressure STOP....insert your dowel in #1 cyl and Slowly continue turning eng till piston is all the way up.THis is TDC #1 cyl compression stroke . timing mark on balancer should be at "0" using the starter has no bearing on the meshing of gears.
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heinz57
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Mar 14, 2011, 12:41 PM
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Finally got it to start but have distributor in full clockwise position with no adjustment from there and a fast idle. Move it 5 degrees and it dies. Engine turns over hard before starting, so something is still not right. Apreciate your help.
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Mar 14, 2011, 1:12 PM
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Did you ever visually see the failure. This sure sounds like a timing chain out of time.
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heinz57
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Mar 14, 2011, 3:50 PM
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This engine has no timing chain. Where to go? Sure sounds and feels like a timing issue. As I said before I have no adjustment in the distributor range, one position or it will not run. Would a bad valve cause a timing problem? When I put it in gear and hold the brake it shakes like a miss but accelerates ok and seems to hits on all 6. We have emissions testing for the first time this year and it failed at (1,200 rpm) idle with hi HC, unburned gas but passed hi idle (2,500).
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Mar 14, 2011, 3:58 PM
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It has timing gears but they can wear out too. You can always move all the wires over one position but make sure you haven't overlooked something else first.
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heinz57
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Mar 14, 2011, 4:22 PM
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If not a valve problem I might have to move the wires. Not sure I know how to do that but it is worth a try.
Do you pick a cylinder the rotor is pointing at and make that #1?
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Mar 14, 2011, 4:25 PM
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If you can't turn the distributor enough to get it in time, then you either have to move the distributor one tooth or move all the wires back one position. Moving the distributor would be better as it wouldn't confuse people trying to figure out the correct wire position in the future.
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heinz57
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Mar 15, 2011, 7:02 AM
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Moving the wires is worth a try. I've had the distributor in and out 20-30 times trying different gear teeth, going below TDC and above TDC by varying degrees.
Firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4 . So I would make 5 1, 5 3, 3 6 etc. Is that right? I can always switch it back and try moving distributor one tooth again.
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Mar 15, 2011, 7:58 AM
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I'm beginning to believe that you are not experienced enough for this job and you should let the professionals do it for you. You have managed to turn a simple distributor installation into 2 pages of help and you are no closer now than you were when you started.
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Mar 15, 2011, 9:50 AM
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For archives this engine does use a timing chain............
Tom
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No Tom, it doesn't. It has gears.
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Quess that makes me the tie breaker . Sorry Tom , but that eng for that year is gear to gear.
H57 , One last try . If you still have the setup as in your last post., ie cant turn clockwise enough. leave wires alone . Take note of where dist rotor is pointing . carefullly lift dist up and turn rotor COUNTER CLOCKWISE one tooth . this should get you enough adjustment. GOOD LUCK
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heinz57
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Mar 17, 2011, 4:44 PM
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Moved back one notch and now have full range of adjustment. Thanks for staying with me on this, I couldn't have done it without your help. If ever a next time I will know exactly what to do.
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WEll we certainly earned our 6 figure salaries on that one guys.
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6 figure ......as in $ .ooooo1
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