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granpabobby
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Jul 21, 2011, 8:26 PM

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intermittent problem 1989 Buick Sign In

1989
Buick
Regal
3.1 V6
unknown
problem..intermittent no start
no spark- no fuel in the run /crank mode
replaced : ignition module ,ECM ignition switch module and crankshaft position sensor
The motor failed to start completly..replaced the crank sensor and it ran for 2 days..then intermittent problem came back..
fuel pump tests good w/ 40 psi and good fuel flow through my tester
could the new crank sensor be defective ?
or could be something else ?
new relays ..all fuses checked
Now showing code 25..MAT too low..can not find a MAT sensor..is it part of the MAP sensor ?
Vacume is 20 inches and steady


(This post was edited by granpabobby on Jul 22, 2011, 6:41 PM)


granpabobby
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Jul 23, 2011, 5:30 PM

Post #2 of 6 (3103 views)
Re: intermittent problem 1989 Buick Sign In

The crank sensor is in the block
no sensor on the balancer
shows code 23 MAT is low
There is no MAT sensor could it mean the IAT ?

Spotted a ground wire off near the crank sensor..wire has been off for a long time ..it bolts to the block but the bolt is gone..will have to find another bolt
Any idea what this ground is for ?


Sidom
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Jul 23, 2011, 5:49 PM

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Re: intermittent problem 1989 Buick Sign In

They're basically the same thing......The temp of the intake air.....

You may want to trace that one down.....
Also trace down the harnesses of the crank sensor....... I've seen some get oil saturated that eats off the insulation of the wires, they intermittently touch together causing some problems... Also make sure none of the other harnesses are rubbing thru anywhere or got up against something hot (EGR tube) & melted.....

Definitely clean & reattach that ground wire....


granpabobby
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Jul 24, 2011, 4:24 PM

Post #4 of 6 (3093 views)
Re: intermittent problem 1989 Buick Sign In

Beware the crank sensors on these Buick 3.1
Mine was cracked all the way around..they can break off in the block
My old one failed completly and almost broke in two takeing it out .
Will reattach the ground in the mourning when the motor is cold .


granpabobby
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Jul 31, 2011, 2:02 PM

Post #5 of 6 (3069 views)
Re: intermittent problem 1989 Buick Sign In


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They're basically the same thing......The temp of the intake air.....

You may want to trace that one down.....
Also trace down the harnesses of the crank sensor....... I've seen some get oil saturated that eats off the insulation of the wires, they intermittently touch together causing some problems... Also make sure none of the other harnesses are rubbing thru anywhere or got up against something hot (EGR tube) & melted.....

Definitely clean & reattach that ground wire....

Got the book started traceing wires started with the crank sensor wireing...disconnected at the sensor the three wire connector showed a short to aon of the other wires ( center wire is uninsulated grounded shield..I cut the center R/F ground thus clearing the short..Motor started and has had no trouble for 2 days now..Good idea..thanks for the tip..you were correct !!!



Sidom
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Jul 31, 2011, 2:38 PM

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Re: intermittent problem 1989 Buick Sign In

Glad to hear you got it going...... I hate tracing down shorts. Those can be the biggest PITAs to find..

Sounds like the insulation on one of the wires was touching your ground wire giving you problems......

While not a huge deal that wire is there to shield out interference. Getting some bleed over from the secondary ign or other source can really reek havoc on that signal & cause some weird running problems of it's own.

But good job on tracing down the short and taking the time to let us know what the fix was.......

Those really do take a lot of patience (more than I have some of the times...Laugh).....






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