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ford escort 1997 dead engine
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jtanner521
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:04 PM
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1997 escort driving fine engine died, no check engine light. checked all fuses good, can hear the fuel pump cycle. engine turns over fine and motor is grounded. have spark at the plugs. shot starter fluid into intake manifold no response. I'm at a loss and need help
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:10 PM
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Take the oil cap off and see if the valves springs are compressing while cranking the engine. If they aren't moving, you probably lost the timing belt. Not interference, so you don't have to worry about bent valves.
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jtanner521
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:13 PM
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timing belt still connected and good compression
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:14 PM
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What are your compression readings on all four?
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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jan 10, 2013, 6:14 PM)
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jtanner521
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:14 PM
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120- 135
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:19 PM
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120 is a little low, it could be off time. Did you pull covers off and check to be sure your marks are lined up at TDC compression stroke?
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jtanner521
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:22 PM
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not yet but in process
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:29 PM
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Let us know what you find. The cam gear has a pointer and there is a dot on the cylinder head. The crank gear is obvious once you get the balancer off.
It's funny cause I did a timing belt on a 2.0L focus split port today at work. That one ripped a whole bunch of teeth off the belt when he went to start it after shopping at Walmart.
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jtanner521
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:39 PM
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looks like the timing is where it needs to be
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jtanner521
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:43 PM
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The rotor lines up on cylinder one the piston is at top dead center and the crank marks line up
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:45 PM
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Distributor?
This is a strange one. You have spark on all four. Compression and the marks are lined up. You sprayed it and it won't start, so that eliminates fuel.
The only thing that comes to mind is the IAC is slammed shut, but then you wouldn't have compression and the engine would start if you held the throttle open a bit.
The ignition timing could be off? Did the tone ring slip out of position on the balancer?
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jtanner521
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:46 PM
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IAC? not quite sure what that is but yep this is a strange one to me to. not often that i am unable to figure this out but this one has me stumped
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:49 PM
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That one shouldn't have a distributor on it unless it is European.
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:51 PM
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didn't mean to say distributor that on the 69 malibu
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:53 PM
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The idle air control valve is used by the engine computer to control the idle speed of the engine. If the pintle is stuck shut, it won't let air into the engine, so the engine will stall if you don't have your foot opening the throttle. It also won't start if there is no air either. You can usually tell if that is the case because the engine will start if you open the throttle some and stalls out when you close the throttle.
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:55 PM
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i manually operated the throttle and the flat plate opened and closed okay
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Jan 10, 2013, 6:57 PM
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Timing marks should look like that when they are lined up.
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Jan 10, 2013, 7:00 PM
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If you have spark, fuel, and compression, the only things that are left is spark timing and engine breathing. If you can take the cam gear bolt off, look at the key way and make sure it didn't shear and caused the gear to slip on the cam.
Spark timing is hard to check on that one because it is computer controlled. You would need a scope to see if the spark is occurring at the correct time. There is a ring on the balancer used by the crank sensor. Make sure it isn't loose or has slipped on the balancer.
You could have restricted exhaust causing your no start and have good compression, so you could unscrew the O2 sensor and check back pressure while cranking to see if you have a severe exhaust restriction. Sometimes if the exhaust is restricted and causing a no start, removing the O2 sensor before the cat could make the engine start.
Other than that, can't tell you what else to check if your testing for spark, fuel, and compression is correct.
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jtanner521
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Jan 10, 2013, 7:12 PM
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Thanks for all your help maybe time for the car crusher
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Jan 10, 2013, 7:16 PM
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sometimes I wish we could use the car crusher fix on some of the junkers that roll into our shop...LOL
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jtanner521
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Jan 10, 2013, 7:19 PM
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lol seen quite a few of them save my time and money and go find another car
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Car crusher! That would solve a lot of problems out there. This seems like it has all the right things to at least fart but doesn't. There's a chance this flooded out so bad with attempts the spark plugs just can't fire when installed but may with assorted testing. If seriously flooded some will not air dry out at all and must be heated quite hot or replaced.
If even for one last try with this take them out and plain propane torch them at the tips till glowing hold carefully with pliers. Leave them out for a day to air out cylinders too. Mark wires so no mix ups.
This is for just making it react to starting fluid which it should if not proper then can proceed with what's wrong. Flooded out if a chance this should work.
Just perhaps 4 times in a career a car would have all the right things and just wouldn't react and that let to the fix or was the fix. Rare but happens. The flow of spark manages to find ground inside itself without making a spark!
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