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gdaryl333
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Aug 17, 2009, 3:04 AM
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2002
Kia
Spectra
1.8l 4 cyc.
150350 miles
I was driving on the highway when I felt loss of power in the engine. The car started to slow down, I pressed on the gas pedal and the car did not pick up speed. The car coasted to a stop. I tried to restart the car and it will not turn over. There is power, the electrical is working.
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Hammer Time
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Aug 17, 2009, 3:23 AM
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It sounds like the engine may have seized. Did you check the oil and coolant levels?
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gdaryl333
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Aug 17, 2009, 4:44 AM
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OK checked the levels of the coolant and the oil. The oil was a little low but still within reason according to the dipstick.
Tried to start again. The engine sounds like it is trying but not getting gas. I know this opens up more possiblities. Fuel pump, sensor. Maybe head gasket? I have checked the fuses for the fuel pump and they check out ok.
I am a do it yourselfer, I just hate taking the car to someplace and costing me $$$$, when it is something that I can change.
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Aug 17, 2009, 4:45 AM
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This is quite different from what you first described.
All "crank, no start" conditions are approached in the same way. Every engine requires certain functions to be able to run. Some of these functions rely on specific components to work and some components are part of more than one function so it is important to see the whole picture to be able to conclude anything about what may have failed. Also, these functions can ONLY be tested during the failure. Any other time and they will simply test good because the problem isn't present at the moment.
If you approach this in any other way, you are merely guessing and that only serves to replace unnecessary parts and wastes money.
Every engine requires spark, fuel and compression to run. That's what we have to look for.
These are the basics that need to be tested and will give us the info required to isolate a cause.
1) Test for spark at the plug end of the wire using a spark tester. If none found, check for power supply on the + terminal of the coil with the key on.
2) Test for injector pulse using a small bulb called a noid light. If none found, check for power supply at one side of the injector with the key on.
3) Use a fuel pressure gauge to test for correct fuel pressure, also noticing if the pressure holds when key is shut off.
4) If all of these things check good, then you would need to do a complete compression test.
Once you have determined which of these functions has dropped out,
you will know which system is having the problem.
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gdaryl333
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Aug 17, 2009, 8:34 AM
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Ok. Sorry. I had a OBD2 code reader and these are the codes that came up.
P0325 Knock Sensor 1 Circuit Bank 1
P0340 Camshaft Position Sensor A Circuit (Bank 1 or single sensor)
P0121 Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor A Circuit Range/Persormance
Do not know if this will help or not. I will try to look at what you asked.
Thank you for your help.
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gdaryl333
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Aug 22, 2009, 5:49 AM
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Ok so I changed the spark plugs.
Checked the timing belt.
Have not checked for compression.
Have not checked for fuel getting in.
When I turn the key. The engine sounds like it wants to start. I can here the fuel pump(I think its the fuel pump) making a noise, not sure if it is working.
Besides checking for compression and for fuel getting in, would the engine almost turn over IF I threw a rod. Or will it not turn over at all.
I reset the computer. Turned the key and this is the code that came up. P0340 Camshaft Position Sensor A Circuit (Bank 1 or single sensor)
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Aug 22, 2009, 2:56 PM
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CMP sensor will cause extended cranking(will take a long time to turn over let it crank for about 15 seconds see if that works) Without a cam signal your computer wont be able to acquire firing order and i'm pretty sure it will use CKP sensor as a back up. If you threw a connecting rod i'm sure you'd hear it when cranking. If you meant push rod your engine is DOHC and has no push rods. I had a cavalier that did about the same thing. Heard the fuel pump but volume test failed. Good way i tested for this problem was turn the key to the on position for two or three seconds then off repeat about three times before trying to start the engine. Let the fuel build pressure then try starting if it starts then sputters off i'd imagine its a fuel pump. Or if you have the tools just do a volume test a good pump should pump about one qt. in 30 sec.
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Aug 22, 2009, 4:06 PM
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Your car uses the CMP to determine #1. Without it the comp will try to guess #1 and usually doesn't do to good of a job. If you don't have a scope you can check the wires, verify your 5v ref, good ground & signal return is good back to the comp, if all checks out you are probably looking at a bad CMP.
The nice thing about Kia is their tech site it totally free. info, TSBs everything..... Thats is one of the things I like about Kia & Hyundia, what other makers charge for, they give away for free. .kiatechinfo.com. (don't forget the Ws) you do have to register but that's it
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gdaryl333
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Aug 23, 2009, 5:04 AM
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ok, thanks. Went and got a new timing belt, going to put it on today... Thanks for the link. I had it the other day and forgot....
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gdaryl333
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Aug 30, 2009, 1:52 PM
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Well, I changed the timing belt and it was messed up....
Tried to start my Kia, but nothing....
Sad news, I think the piston is bad.........Well I know its Bad.....
Now I get to take apart the engine and rebuild it...
Does anyone knows where to get the pistons from besides the dealership?
Thanks for all the help... Wish me LUCK.....
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Aug 30, 2009, 1:57 PM
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Bad deal.... You might want to price new & low mileage used motors...... You're gonna need valves to if you have a hole in your piston. Are you sure it's a bad piston & not just a bent valve?
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Aug 30, 2009, 1:57 PM
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Why piston?
Timing belts damage the valves, not the pistons.
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gdaryl333
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Aug 30, 2009, 2:03 PM
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Yes could be the valves...
Only one way for me to know. I will be taking it apart to see, starting with the valves first ofcouse.
Going to check them. But if the piston went bad first it would mess up the timing belt. The only part of the timing belt that was messed up was the part by the camshaft.
Still it will be a process..
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Aug 30, 2009, 2:06 PM
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If it goes out of time while the engine is running, the piston hits the valves and bends the head over. The piston usually survives though.
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Aug 30, 2009, 2:12 PM
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That would be nice. Still bad but workable.
Getting down in with the camshaft worries me....
valves I can do..
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gdaryl333
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Sep 6, 2009, 7:33 AM
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Well bad news. One of the valves broke and put a hole in the piston. I know I should have checked the valves before trying to start it, after putting on the new timing belt. I was just hoping that was all that was wrong.
Now going to replace the engine. (I love my Kia)
Found some engines at some salvage yards, ranging from $400 to $700. Then add shipping if they are to far to go and pick-up.
I know its taking me time to do all this but I am only able to work on the weekends. Well better get back to it. Will keep posted on anything else.
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Thats too bad..... With used motors. 1st make sure you can turn it over by hand with no weird noises before you even think about taking it home. I would really advise against getting a used motor shipped, you want to be able to look at it before you buy it. After you get it home take off the v/c & oil pan and take a look to make sure everything looks good and there are no huge sludge build ups, skirts look good, etc........Good time to be replacing gaskets & seals if it's good to install
Even if local is a few hundred more, it the long run it may wind up being cheaper.....
Just out of curiosity, how did you verify there was a hole in the piston?
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gdaryl333
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Sep 6, 2009, 7:49 AM
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Thanks for the advice Sidom...
After changing the timing belt it did the same thing when I tried to start it. From some advice from others, it could be the valves. I was hoping it was just a bent or warped valve. I took off the cylinder head to take a look and OMG.
Anyhow, there is a place not to far from here. I will go and check it out and follow your advice. Is there anything else I need to be on the lookout for?
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