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I delayed car oil change, Can I use any additives to minimize any damage it may have caused
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pelkun
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Nov 8, 2011, 2:56 PM
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I delayed car oil change, Can I use any additives to minimize any damage it may have caused
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I have:
1998 Toyota Camry 4Cyl 2.4L automatic at 104K miles
I change the oil at 3-4Kmiles. This time it went to 4.5K miles. The oil was excessively dark and quantity was lower than full 4 quarts.
1)What sort of damage have I risked by being a moron like that?
2)Any additives I should do to minimize any damage?
Thanks.
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Hammer Time
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Nov 8, 2011, 4:05 PM
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That shouldn't be any big deal. Some of the manufacturers are recommending intervals of 5K or higher although I don't agree with them. I don't know how low the oil got but 1 quart low for a short time won't do any permanent damage.
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Discretesignals
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Nov 8, 2011, 6:40 PM
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Just make sure that your PCV system is working properly. Those are known as sludge motors. Oil change intervals are in your owners manual, so stick to that.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Nov 8, 2011, 6:42 PM)
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autotecha
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Just thought I'd tell you about a customer who I did a service call on last month. Her husband went on deployment about 8 months ago and forgot to change the oil on their 2006 F250. She called me up and said she just saw my "oil change sticker" and noticed its way over due. So I go out to do this, the vehicle had 12,000+ miles over the sticker milage  . Good news, the oil wasnt really too bad. But her injectors were ... well thats a different topic . I've seen people go past the recommended milage for changes and no major issues but I've seen a few that did. Best advice, stick to the manufacturers recommendations (and not what some joe blow on the street recommends).
*******ASE Master Automotive Technician, L-1, L-2 and a lot of wallpaper too :-)******
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Hammer Time
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I'm one of those people that disagrees with the manufacturer's intervals. I don't believe that their intentions are in the customer's best interest. They create a maintenance schedule that pushes everything to the complete limit so they can claim their maintanence costs to be lower than their competition. Their goal is to make the vehicle problem free for a short period beyond the warranty period. After that it becomes a repair business for them. If you want maximum life from the vehicle, 7,000 oil changes isn't the way to do it.
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Nov 8, 2011, 7:30 PM
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Hammer I can agree with this to a certain point, it all depends upon what manufacturer we are talking about. I'm just tired of hearing "Joe Blow" shade tree, telling people that with these new oils we can go 7 to 10,000 miles or even more.
I'm still a firm believer in 3,000 to 4,000 changes. I only recommend manufacturers times due to warrenties and legal issues (when running my own business I have to be careful about recommendations and if a customer tries to take legal actions I can fall back on manufactures data and not my own...). Your comment on they want you to maintain the vehicle until warrenty is over and then it becomes a parts business (not exact quote but...) is right on. Thats one reason I hated and left a major dealership, they are all about the $$$ and not customer. As a small business owner I understand making a profit BUT I do not believe in setting up a client for future business by only doing just enough to get by until next time. I get my repeat and loyal clients by doing a good, fast and honest repairs. I'm one of those people that disagrees with the manufacturer's intervals. I don't believe that their intentions are in the customer's best interest. They create a maintenance schedule that pushes everything to the complete limit so they can claim their maintanence costs to be lower than their competition. Their goal is to make the vehicle problem free for a short period beyond the warranty period. After that it becomes a repair business for them. If you want maximum life from the vehicle, 7,000 oil changes isn't the way to do it. *******ASE Master Automotive Technician, L-1, L-2 and a lot of wallpaper too :-)******
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I agree but after being in court with my former employer (ind. shop) where a customer sued him over his recommendations and an accident occured (his recommendation was kind of bad but..) I lean towards manufacturers rec's BUT but I also will tell my clients my own recommendations and let them decide. I've testified in court a few times and yes my professional opinion is accepted but still get leary in this sue happy country we are living in. WA state (where I am) leans towards the Tech's who are ASE Master etc..as "experts" but.... luckly I havent had any suits directed towards me or my business yet... One last comment, a friend of mine who is in CA got sued over a repair at his recommendation and lost. The court ruled that even though he had over 20+ years in the field he still was bound to "established procedures"and not his procedure. Not sure the whole story but I do know he's sh&& hot (not saying that cuz he was a former student of mine either lol). My professional opinion is just that and no one can sue me for expressing it. *******ASE Master Automotive Technician, L-1, L-2 and a lot of wallpaper too :-)******
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You can never get sued for erring on the side of caution. It's going the other direction that can get you in trouble.
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"When to change your oil" is an ongoing debate. It's like religion or politics.
I am sure the manufactures and engineers of these engines want their consumers to get the most life out of their engines and wouldn't want to wreck their reputation misguiding consumers.
This is taken from GM's Oil Life Monitor system. Seems there is more to changing your oil than mileage. There are other factors that have to be considered.
How many miles can I expect to go between oil changes when using this system?
The beauty of the GM Oil Life Monitor System is that it will automatically adjust the oil
change interval based engine characteristics, driving habits and the climate in which the
vehicle is operated. For instance, mild highway driving in a warm climate will maximize
the interval between oil changes. Depending on the vehicle, this could be in excess of
7000 miles and as high as 12,000 miles. On the other hand, short trip driving in cold a
climate may limit the oil change to 3000 miles or less. In general, most people that drive
a combination of city and highway schedules find that the GM Oil Life Monitor System
will indicate an oil change every 7500 to 8500 miles.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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Nov 8, 2011, 8:09 PM
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Sorry DS, I just don't buy it. Anything over 7k is just too much under any conditions. That engine may go 150K with that schedule and the manufacturer may say that is an expectant engine life but it may see 250K with shorter intervals.
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You are right about that, it is like religion or politics. And there is no One right answer. I've attended numerous seminars by the various oil companies and have come out of each one with a different answer to the age old question of when to change. I've also attended different Service schools on just oil and lube theories and each has their own take on the matter. When teaching we had to cover this subject for over a week on lube and oil. I'll stick to my 3,000 recommendations until something changes my mind and is proven (unless of course its a warrenty job). "When to change your oil" is an ongoing debate. It's like religion or politics. I am sure the manufactures and engineers of these engines want their consumers to get the most life out of their engines and wouldn't want to wreck their reputation misguiding consumers. This is taken from GM's Oil Life Monitor system. Seems there is more to changing your oil than mileage. There are other factors that have to be considered. How many miles can I expect to go between oil changes when using this system?
The beauty of the GM Oil Life Monitor System is that it will automatically adjust the oil
change interval based engine characteristics, driving habits and the climate in which the
vehicle is operated. For instance, mild highway driving in a warm climate will maximize
the interval between oil changes. Depending on the vehicle, this could be in excess of
7000 miles and as high as 12,000 miles. On the other hand, short trip driving in cold a
climate may limit the oil change to 3000 miles or less. In general, most people that drive
a combination of city and highway schedules find that the GM Oil Life Monitor System
will indicate an oil change every 7500 to 8500 miles. |
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Nov 8, 2011, 8:14 PM
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Do you remember when synthetics (SP damn cant spell) really started getting popular? When they were advertising 7 to 12 grand change times.
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Hammer Time
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Nov 8, 2011, 8:22 PM
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I might agree with that from synthetics. They hold up much better than regular oils and don't deteriorate from heat.
I remember when they came out with that toilet paper oil filter kit that advertised that you never had to change your oil, just the toilet paper roll.
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I wanna get my 1 cent in (inflations killing me) I have a 93 c1500 chevy pickup w/280000 miles water pumps and a few serp belts is all failed . Had the tranny beefed up for towing .Recently had to change a valve cover gasket. Inside was a nice golden tan. I have towed airboat all over ,did a couple trips from fla to ohio.. point being Ihat I have changed oil ai 5k since I bought 2yrs old w/10k. BUT,BUT thats a good ol 350 ci designed during the roman empire. Today you have engines w/ 4 valves per cyl , multiple timing chains.turbo's and clearances that would make NASA proud. There is not a one size fits all answer . It apples and oranges . This is why I've always encouraged my customers and friends to find a shop you can trust, give them your business, both good and hard. They will get to know you and your driving habits and modify your schedule to match . MR Joe Cool exec and his vette doing 300 + miles a week will not be on the same schedule as good ol granny driving to the store on wed and church on sunday. Never breaking 35 mph I might add. ,,,this carries over to scheduling , brake s,,tires ,alignments, tranny service ,coolant changes , there used to be a thing called tuneups, now just plugs and a fuel filter. Bottom line>> Make the schedule fit the customer .
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Good points too Re-Tired. I agree.
BTW just went to Wally World to pick up someone and looked at their oil I believe it was Super Mobile (dont quote me on that, it was something Mobile) and it said on the container something like: the 5,000 mile oil. Saw some good prices though for the 5 qt containers btw....
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Quite an interesting debate going on here, I agree with most points.
Not that I've ever been accused of "stirring the pot" BUT......
What brand do you guys feel is best..........
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This is a "mass-debate" don't laugh
Seeing oil marketed to go 15,000 miles! NO! Synthetic or not it does get contaminated and my schedule is 3,000 for myself. Folks who steadily drive long distances just cruising along can go more IMO.
It's impossible to custom tailor how far for each person. Again IMO dirty oil can mean it's working. It's supposed to keep your engine clean and sludge free. Imagine real dirty laundry and clean waste water came out the detergent didn't work so well. Those are the additives the oil maker put there on purpose to their own specs. No need to add anything else.
Like RT - I keep up with my own and now don't add up many miles but did once and no problems flying right past 200+K with a clean tight engine.
I have no doubt there are ongoing marketing lies about oil and other products. Like HT I'll err to caution even if it could go more. Oil is cheaper than an engine,
Tom
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