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2000 Honda Accord Dying after start
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P0E2005
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Dec 11, 2015, 5:10 PM
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I have a 2000 Honda accord. Today out of nowhere, I went to start it. Dies. Start. Dies. Start, give it a ton of gas, stays running. Get it into gear and take off, have to hold the brake and keep the idle high by applying gas at stop lights. Then.. after about ten minutes. Runs fine. No problem. Dint have to keep the idle up. No spit or sputter. No rough idle. Then Stop and turn car off, it'll start back up with no hesitation, multiple times. BUT if you let the car sit for longer than 30 minutes or so, it starts dying on startup again... checked engine codes... none. Any ideas??
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Dec 11, 2015, 6:36 PM
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Which engine?
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P0E2005
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Dec 11, 2015, 7:05 PM
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Sorry, it's the 3.0 V6. I bought some fuel system cleaner and ran it highway speeds for about thirty minutes. Let it cool for about two hours, and it started right up... I'm going to let it sit overnight. But in the event it doesn't start again, what might I be looking at? Fuel pump?
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Dec 11, 2015, 7:10 PM
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As long as you keep your foot on the accelerator it keeps running, but the second you take your foot off the accelerator at a light or stop it dies? How does it accelerate or cruise?
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Dec 11, 2015, 7:17 PM
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On the start it'll die immediately without gas, after a couple minutes I still have to apply pressure at lights, and if I let off you will feel it start to choke out then die if you don't give it gas. It seems to accelerate just fine. But after ten minutes it so. Completely normal.
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Dec 12, 2015, 6:58 AM
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Couple of things that could cause something like that. The easiest one to check would be the idle air control system. Make sure your coolant is in good shape and your coolant level is good in the radiator. If the coolant is old and nasty it might be time for a flushing. The coolant system is used by the IAC valve for cold idle function through those throttle heater hoses.
Another thing to check would be the rotary valve inside the idle control valve assembly. Sometimes carbon gums up those rotary valves and you have to remove it from the throttle body to unstick it. If you do that, it would be a good idea to remove the throttle body from the intake and give it a good cleaning with some throttle body cleaner and a toothbrush. Be sure not to get throttle body cleaner inside the TPS sensor. I personally would remove the TPS sensor from the throttle body to avoid getting it full of cleaner.
The rotary valve can be cleaned by removing it from the throttle body. You will probably need an impact driver to get the screws loose. Then remove the electrical solenoid on the end of the rotary valve to expose the end of the shaft. Next, clean the valve portion with your tooth brush and cleaner. Last, you should easily be able to turn the shaft.
Get a new throttle body and IAC gaskets and put it all back together. Disconnect the battery for 10 minutes to clear memory. See how that works out for you.
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P0E2005
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Dec 12, 2015, 2:37 PM
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Will do. We're trying to ride it out to next weekend. Started it ten different times today started nine times, wouldn't start once. Got it started. Then it started three times after that....so intermittent.
Also, wouldn't the issue you stated throw an error code?
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Dec 16, 2015, 2:45 PM
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Can I ask a question? Does this car not have a fuel filter? I can't find it or anything about it.
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Dec 16, 2015, 3:49 PM
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Damn - Just looked up one on two sites. None shown! Another said it was under the hood on corner near firewall? Can't trust this info?
I think it's relying on the fuel pump's strainer available in surprisingly in stock and cheap if that correct.
There are some that are on or part of fuel pumps and guessing because the strainer is so popular by itself that acts as the only fuel filter.
Trouble is that so far I don't think that's your problem as if clogged that bad would think no power but might idle forever at first and if that clogged would burn out the fuel pump as well or make it erratic.
Perhaps time to check fuel pressure and watch it while under load if it can stay within range all the time in use,
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(pic of strainer in tank if it shows - it's with new pumps - erratic look ups IDK why?)
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Dec 16, 2015, 4:00 PM
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There is no 3.0 engine available for that car so I assume it's a 3.5. Thew fuel filter is incorporated into the fuel pump assembly and is now a non-maintenance item. They never need replacing as they are sellf cleaning.
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Dec 16, 2015, 4:15 PM
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Well, lately the symptoms have changed. Since I put in the fuel system cleaner, it no longer just DIES when it has trouble starting. Today I stopped 3 times in the way home. Once it didn't start well. But instead of dying immediately it just bogged down for a bit, then corrected. So I'm thinking maybe a clog or bad gas?
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Dec 16, 2015, 4:24 PM
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You need to stop guessing at things and actually check the fuel pressure with a gauge. You can't just guess at these things.
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Dec 16, 2015, 4:28 PM
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I am checking the fuel pressure this weekend, it's the soonest I can do it. The problem I have is that the problem is do intermittent. We can turn it over a great many times with no issue... I can't assure that during the test the issue will happen. I will end up replacing a fuel pump that may be ok.
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Dec 16, 2015, 4:29 PM
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If you can duplicate the symptoms and observe the fuel pressure gauge at the same time, you can put the fuel system to rest once and for all.
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Dec 16, 2015, 4:41 PM
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Well I'm going to try. But like I said it's intermittent. Sometimes after five minutes of starting the first time. Sometimes after an hour. So far never lb the first start. I work a full time job and have one day to figure this out. I'm not financially endowed enough to throw money like darts at a dart board until the issue is fixed. I came here for help. So far I haven't even gotten any real ideas where to look. Just "check the pressure".
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Dec 16, 2015, 4:50 PM
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I know the pressure is bad. Our else it would start. But WHY?
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Dec 16, 2015, 4:52 PM
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Look, we don't guess at things and we don't throw parts at a problem. we test to find problems. If you want to use the crystal ball method, this isn't the place.
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