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afdrudown
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Aug 23, 2008, 2:54 PM
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Grand Prix Headlights
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I own a 2007 Grand Prix and the headlights just stopped working, I changed both bulbs and fuses but they still don't work what do I do next?
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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 24, 2008, 2:47 AM
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Re: Grand Prix Headlights
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Question: Why isn't this under warranty?
I'd verify that power and ground are available at the sockets and go from there if this is on you so early,
T
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afdrudown
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Aug 24, 2008, 2:41 PM
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Re: Grand Prix Headlights
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My warranty ran out 3000 miles ago. I checked those I am thinking it might be the relay. It is just so out of the ordinary for a car this new to have such a problem
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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 24, 2008, 7:37 PM
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Hmmm? I just googled around a bit and didn't come up with a relay or location but it's a bit new perhaps.
It just seems to me that a common ground would be more likely than some other problem right now so early. Just back power a test light and go for one of the plugs to headlights to see if there's ground there.
If this is only 3k over warranty then ask anyway if this is more that some simple fix. Does this use DRLs ? Do those work and use the same bulb but just low beam of the regular bulbs? I would think if those work then bulbs/sockets are fine and back to sudden no ground which could be as simple as one wire loose or broken and might be easily found - dunno,
T
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Double J
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Aug 26, 2008, 10:37 AM
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Re: Grand Prix Headlights
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HEADLAMPS
The headlamps may be turned ON 2 different ways. First, when the driver places the headlamp switch is placed in the ON position, for normal operation. Second, with the headlamp switch placed in the OFF position, for automatic lamp control (ALC). During ALC control the headlamps will be in day time running lamp (DRL) operation in daylight conditions, or low beam operation in low light conditions.
For low beam operation, battery positive voltage is applied at all times to the coil and switch side of the low beam relay in the underhood fuse block. Ground is applied at all times from G202 to the headlamp switch. When the headlamp switch is placed in the HEAD position, ground is applied to the headlamps ON signal circuit to the body control module (BCM). When either the headlamp switch is placed in the HEAD position or ALC is enabled, the BCM applies a ground to the low beam relay control circuit. This energizes the relay and applies battery positive voltage to the LEFT and RIGHT low beam fuses in the underhood fuse block. Battery positive voltage is then applied from the fuses through the headlamp supply voltage circuit to the headlamps. Ground is applied at all times to the left headlamp from G101 and to the right headlamp from G100.
For high beam operation, battery positive voltage is applied at all times to the coil and switch side of the high beam relay in the underhood fuse block. Ground is applied at all times from G202 to the headlamp dimmer switch. When the dimmer switch is placed in the HIGH position, ground is applied to the high beam signal circuit to the BCM. The BCM then applies a ground to the high beam relay control circuit. This energizes the relay, and applies battery positive voltage to the LEFT and RIGHT high beam fuses in the underhood fuse block. Battery positive voltage is then applied from the fuses, through the high beam headlamp supply voltage circuit to the headlamps. Ground is applied at all times to the left headlamp from G101 and to the right headlamp from G100.
For flash-to-pass (FTP) operation, when the headlamp dimmer switch is placed in the FTP position, ground is applied from G202 through the headlamp dimmer switch to the flash-to-pass signal circuit to the BCM. The BCM then turns the high beam headlamps ON as long as the headlamp dimmer switch is in the FTP position.
If the headlight switch is left in the ON position, the inadvertent power control feature will turn off the headlights 10 minutes after the ignition switch is turned to the OFF position. If the driver places the headlight switch in the ON position after the ignition switch has been turned OFF, or if the ignition switch is in the ACCY position, the headlights will remain on until turned off or the battery runs dead.
Possibly a faulty Multifunction Switch (headlamp and dimmer switch included).
Possible Faulty BCM
Wiring,poor connection,open or short to voltage,short to ground...
Relay
Jim
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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 26, 2008, 11:05 AM
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Re: Grand Prix Headlights
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plain damn headlights and look what they do?
Thanks JIM for the possibilites on that car. Kinda makes you wonder what rocket scientist couldn't just figure out plain ON and OFF switching and not techno out stupid things like headlights.
Gotta get me Studebaker perhaps to find the last tidbit of common sense
T
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