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jeremy0000
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Apr 25, 2014, 4:03 PM
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Battery has 12.64 volts but truck has no electrical power
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1995 Ford Ranger XL. 4 cylinder/2.3 L, Manual Transmission 300,000 miles I have had an intermittent starting problem for several months with my Ford Ranger. If I jostle the positive battery cable it will start. Sometimes it takes a few tries. When I turn the key I hear a click coming from the starter relay or starter solenoid mounted on the driver side fender. After the click none of my lights will turn on. If I jostle the positive cable terminal the solenoid clicks again, and it usually starts when I turn the key again. The cables were corroded so I figured that was the problem. I replaced the terminals on both battery cables and cut the wire back to expose clean copper, and cleaned the posts. I replaced the cable going from the positive post to the starter relay as well with 10 gauge cable. After doing this I had no power what so-ever. Lights will not even turn on. My volt meter reads 12.64 on the battery between positive and negative posts. I also read 12.64 between negative battery post and positive cable on the starting relay. I have 12.64 volts between the positive battery post and the intake manifold, as well as spark with a wire held to each of those points. I also have 12.64 volts on the starter where the positive battery cable connects and zero voltage drop between positive battery post and positive post on the starter relay. Voltage between positive battery post and alternator casing reads 3+ volts. The cable going to the starter relay was initially 8 gauge so I reinstalled the cable with 8 gauge thinking I may not have enough amps but it did not change anything. I installed a brand new ignition switch, and the starter is about 2 years old. I checked all of the fuses in the e-box under the hood as well as the panel on the side of the dash. Currently I have no power what so ever. Nothing works. Help will be greatly appreciated.
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jeremy0000
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Apr 26, 2014, 1:10 PM
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If I jostle the positive battery cable it will start. Sometimes it takes a few tries. When I turn the key I hear a click coming from the starter relay or starter solenoid mounted on the driver side fender. After the click none of my lights will turn on. If I jostle the positive cable terminal the solenoid clicks again, and it usually starts when I turn the key again. Thats a perfect indicator that you have a junk cable. The cables were corroded so I figured that was the problem. I'm with you there. I replaced the terminals on both battery cables and cut the wire back to expose clean copper, and cleaned the posts. NOT with you there. This sounds like you put bolt on cheapo terminal ends on this and that is a very bad idea. Those things are pure garbage and invite nothing but electrical issues. Never ever use that crap. If they were any good, Ford would've put them on from the factory and saved a bunch of cash. I replaced the cable going from the positive post to the starter relay as well with 10 gauge cable. After doing this I had no power what so-ever. How this didn't start on fire I don't know. You put 10 gauge cable where a minimum of 4 gauge should be. It cannot handle the amperage load. So you get.... Lights will not even turn on. My volt meter reads 12.64 on the battery between positive and negative posts. I also read 12.64 between negative battery post and positive cable on the starting relay. I have 12.64 volts between the positive battery post and the intake manifold, as well as spark with a wire held to each of those points. I also have 12.64 volts on the starter where the positive battery cable connects and zero voltage drop between positive battery post and positive post on the starter relay. Voltage between positive battery post and alternator casing reads 3+ volts. The cable going to the starter relay was initially 8 gauge so I reinstalled the cable with 8 gauge thinking I may not have enough amps but it did not change anything. You reinstalled a defective cable. It doesn't matter what gauge it is. It cannot carry the load. It is no better than a 10 gauge. I installed a brand new ignition switch, and the starter is about 2 years old. I checked all of the fuses in the e-box under the hood as well as the panel on the side of the dash. Currently I have no power what so ever. Nothing works. Help will be greatly appreciated. Help is here. Throw away those cables. For the age of this. I think you should toss the ground cable too. Nice premade ones are at the parts store for pretty cheap. Made sure to clean the places they bolt to nice and shiny and coat with dielectric grease to hold off future corrosion. Also have your battery load tested while at the parts store. A battery can show full charge and fail while loaded. Thanks for the response! I really appreciate it. I will swap the cables for new ones momentarily although I think you are mistaken that it will be the fix. I will let you know though. I agree about the clamp on terminals being crap. I initially bought new cables from NAPA and the positive did not reach the starter. Went back to Napa and they said that their computer showed the same size they sold me. As far as the 8 gauge cable I put in, it was brand new and it replaced an 8 gauge cable that was factory installed. The 4 gauge goes to the starter on the other side of the engine, the 8 gauge goes to the starter solenoid about 10 inches away. The problem with the cables from Napa is that the lead coming off the cable which I would use to go to the starter solenoid is only 12 gauge. Even if I connected an 8 gauge cable to it the whole cable would have to be regarded as 12 gauge which would lower the amps/increase resistance, which is why I used those crappy clamps and connected a BRAND NEW 8 gauge cable along with the existing 4 gauge cable to the positive post. I called Ford and they don't sell the cable anymore. Given that info do you still think I should get a new cable from the parts store with the 12 gauge lead or make my own with 4 gauge and 8 gauge? Thanks again,
(This post was edited by jeremy0000 on Apr 26, 2014, 1:48 PM)
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jeremy0000
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Apr 26, 2014, 1:59 PM
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Okay so I replaced the cables as you suggested and nothing. A few questions: Does a voltage drop test across the cable allow you to determine if the cable needs to be replaced? As stated before drop test read zero volts. Since I am able to start the engine by jumping the s terminal to the positive terminal of the starter solenoid doesn't this tell us that the battery in fact has enough cranking power? As stated before absolutely nothing will turn on. The battery shows 12.64 volts. If the problem was a battery with not enough juice to turn the motor it should still power dash lights with 12.64 volts. I have a hard time imagining that it could be the battery. The thing that sticks out to me is that although it would not start I had dash lights before replacing the 8 gauge cable to the starter solenoid with a 10 gauge. After putting in the 10 gauge I had nothing. After putting in brand new 8 gauge nothing. That was the turning point.
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Hammer Time
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Apr 26, 2014, 2:48 PM
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You are correct on all counts. It sound like you may have blown a fusible link or forgot to hook one up. The links should be attached to the solenoid near the battery. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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Hammer Time
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Apr 26, 2014, 2:53 PM
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There are probably more than that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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jeremy0000
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Apr 26, 2014, 3:20 PM
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No luck finding more than one fusible link. But... The starer solenoid has three bolts. Positive cable, 's' terminal and the third one that has three wires connected to it, one of which goes to the power distribution box. I took that wire which goes to the distribution box and connected it directly to the positive cable terminal of the starter solenoid and all of the interior electrical came on (dash lights, windshield wipers, turn signals). Does this tell us anything about the starter solenoid? Would a continuity test be in order? I think I might just replace it since its $25. Thanks again.
(This post was edited by jeremy0000 on Apr 26, 2014, 3:23 PM)
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Hammer Time
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Apr 26, 2014, 3:23 PM
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That's correct. They all go onto the main terminal except the starter trigger wire goes to the "S" terminal. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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Hammer Time
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Apr 26, 2014, 3:40 PM
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If you have a third terminal, then the coil wire will go to that to power the coil during crank. All power supply wires go with the battery cable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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Hammer Time
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Apr 26, 2014, 3:45 PM
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There should also be a link to the Alternator on that power pole. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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Hammer Time
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Apr 26, 2014, 3:50 PM
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I'm not seeing anything from the starter to the coils. The coils have their own power supply. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Apr 26, 2014, 3:51 PM)
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jeremy0000
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Apr 26, 2014, 4:02 PM
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Problem solved. I had the power cable by itself. The wire going to the starter has the third terminal to itself, and yes you are correct nothing from the starter to the coil, it goes to the alternator. Man I feel dumb mixing those wires up. Thanks a million for taking the time to read through my posts and catch that, I honestly would not have figured it out. You made my day and now I can make it to work on Monday. Thanks.
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Hammer Time
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Apr 27, 2014, 1:03 AM
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Glad to hear you got it worked out. I'll close this now as solved to keep the spammers out. Just contact any Mod if you need it reopened. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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