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95 Chevy Lumina Base Sedan 3.1/189 cid - Ignition switch
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stingray
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Jan 22, 2014, 12:13 PM
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95 Chevy Lumina Base Sedan 3.1/189 cid - Ignition switch
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Hi. I am installing a new ignition switch. However, the difficulty is that the actuating rod points to the right. To mount this correctly to the steering shaft the rod needs to point in tandem with the mounts toward the left. The rod is custom bent beneath other things. In turning it towards the left the rod hits the shaft leaving the rod vertical. While the switch can be placed on the rod in any position it will only mount to the steering shaft angled left. The shop manual indicated "pressing the switch into position." That, like I knew, resulted in breaking the switches "jacket". How does the switch get insalled with ease & without force?
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Discretesignals
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Jan 22, 2014, 6:01 PM
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You got the right switch? There are two different ones depending if you have a column or floor shifter.
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stingray
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Jan 22, 2014, 7:22 PM
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You are correct. Yes. The new switch/harness is identical to what I removed. it is a column shift trans. It's really puzzling how it could have been in the position it was in considering the mounting. It's tempting to bend/modify the rod. But again, shouldn't have to.
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Jan 22, 2014, 7:41 PM
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Your right. That rod shouldn't need to be moded to make another switch work on it.
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stingray
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Jan 22, 2014, 8:23 PM
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Thank you for the schematic. I'm trying to locate an image of another actuating rod to verify the contours. It did fight removal a bit. But nothing ever felt like it was bending. This is rod thicker than your wire coat hanger! Can't imagine it bending 15 degrees!! That would be some serious twist!!! Would this be the Rubik's Cube of electrical Gremlins?
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DanD
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Jan 23, 2014, 8:14 AM
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That rod may have slipped out of the upper actuator assembly.
If so you may need to disassemble the upper to properly attach it.
These columns are easy to pull out of the car; which makes working on it much better then standing on your head under the dash.
Just make sure you tie off the steering wheel so it cannot rotate any more then when it is installed in the car. If you do over rotate the wheel you'll break the air bag clock spring in the column.
Dan.
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stingray
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Jan 23, 2014, 1:49 PM
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Upper actuator assembly? I pulled the rod out. Relatively easy to do. I sat the switch in place just like the old one was. I'm puzzled at even how the whole set up works. If the one inch elbow end of the rod fits into the jacket/sleeve of the switch & the other end hooks to the cast lever (that cracked), which all moves when the key is turned, then how does the vertical/jacket side of the rod move when it's seated in a nonmoveable plastic tube or jacket? An actuator rod is to actuate something but the end of it seats in a nonmoving plastic housing. If I have to remove the shaft I will. At this point I don't see the justification for it. Now with the rod out it seems too short altogether. The vertical portion of the rod meets the center of the switch. The tube/sleeve to insert it in is another inch away yet.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 24, 2014, 3:05 AM
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OK and general: You said you found a cracked lever of cast metal I'm guessing. That needs to get replaced or depending properly fixed to work as intended.
Not sure if available new so let the hunt begin. Depending it might be able to be welded (aluminum or alloy something) should be done by a pro welder if that's the way out.
Good news is you seem to know right where the snag is in the fix,
T
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Jan 24, 2014, 5:25 AM
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Here's an exploded view of the steering column; it might help you see how this thing works.
Below that is the thing I'm thinking/hoping is the "cast lever' you're talking about. The rod (#82) hooks into lever/rack (#39).
I'm also assuming this is a tilt column.
Dan
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(This post was edited by DanD on Jan 24, 2014, 5:26 AM)
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stingray
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Jan 24, 2014, 3:22 PM
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Yep #82 in the schematic is the rod that is inhibiting this thing from coming together. Great detailed listing if parts. Still fighting the dilemma to insert the rod into the switches jacket & mount the switch. Just doesn't make sense. The steel rod fits into a plastic jacket that is much longer than the rod & doesn't appear to contact anything once inside. The plastic jacket certainly doesn't move, nor does the switch. So what is an actuating rod actuating? Maybe I'll shoot some pics for more of a real world view of the problem. Seems like the rod needs modifying, yet to think someone got it together???
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stingray
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Jan 29, 2014, 11:41 AM
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I know you all have been in suspense on this. Myself included. Nothing worse than exhausting practical measures & ingesting silly advice from others. Unable to even tow when the column is down & trans cannot be shifted. So it has to get fixed where it rests.
Here is what I procured. The actu8r rod actually inserts into the upper side housing of the ignition switch & not the jacket/sleeve @ the bottom as the shop manual suggests. Now to repair the partially broken cylinder rod within the trans shift cover that the actu8r rod hooks to. Another mystery, why does a 14 gauge rod hook into brittle cast metal? I long for the day to see an engineer repair their design!
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 29, 2014, 12:24 PM
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Quote">> I long for the day to see an engineer repair their design!<<"
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I have no doubts that all regulars or techs in general would love to see that on any vehicle there's something somewhere. What really gets me is when some dinky detail that has worked for ages gets changed into something that doesn't hold up over use and time that is a must have thing wherever it is. Nothing new about any of that,
T
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Discretesignals
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Jan 29, 2014, 6:40 PM
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I'd pay to see that myself, especially on something such as a plugs and wires on a Camaro F body LT1 or, even better, fixing a half block oil leak on a Cadillac 4.6L. Of course, it seems that Toyota and Honda engineers do consider the mechanic in most of their designs.
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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jan 29, 2014, 6:40 PM)
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