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2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 10:19 AM
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2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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Hi,
A couple weeks ago I tried to use the wipers and nothing happened. The next day the gauges inside the car went hay wire, started flashing on and off. Turned out the car needed a new battery and alternator. Replaced both and the car has been perfectly fine except for the wipers.
I checked the wiper fuse and it wasn't blown so I pulled the cowl, unplugged the motor, turned the key on, turned the wiper switch to full speed and then tested for voltage at the plug and got almost 12 volts when testing several terminal combinations. I thought for sure I had it figured out so went ahead and bought a remanufactured wiper motor but nothing happened when I plugged it in. I thought maybe since I didn't mount it it wasn't grounded so went ahead and did that and still nothing. Thinking maybe it was defective I returned it and went to a different auto parts store and bought another one, hooked it up and got the same results. So then I tested all nine relays in the relay control center and they all passed. So Today I bought and installed a new wiper switch and still no action from the wiper motor.
Here's the wire descriptions:
brown & white wire: low speed (12 volts)
red & yellow wire: high speed
tan & red wire: park switch
black wire: ground
And here's the readings from the wiper plug.
Wiper switch set to ''Hi'' ignition switch on:
black wire plus tan & red wire: 11.90 volts
tan & red wire plus red & yellow wire: 11.85 volts
(no other combinations showed voltage)
Next setting down:
brown & white wire plus tan & red wire: 11.84 volts
(no other combinations showed voltage)
Next setting down:
brown & white wire plus tan & red wire: 11.84 volts
(no other combinations showed voltage)
Next setting down:
brown & white plus tan & red: 11.83 volts
(no other combinations showed voltage)
Next setting down:
brown & white plus tan & red: 11.81 volts
(no other combinations showed voltage)
Next setting down:
brown & white plus tan & red: 11.80 volts
tan & red plus black wire: 11.79 volts
(no other combinations showed voltage)
Next setting down:
brown & white plus tan & red: 11.76 volts
black wire plus tan & red wire: 11.76 volts
(no other combinations showed voltage)
Wiper switch ''off'' ignition switch still on:
brown & white plus tan & red: 11.74 volts
black wire plus tan & red wire: 11.74 volts
(no other combinations showed voltage)
brown & white wire: low speed (12 volts)
red & yellow wire: high speed
tan & red wire: park switch
black wire: ground
Any idea what the problem could be?
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 10:50 AM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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And also when I turn the wiper switch to the highest setting the wiper relay ''clicks'' and when I turn the switch down to the next lowest setting it ''clicks'' again but those are the only two settings that I can get any noise from the relay.
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 12:32 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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Ok, to test the wiper system you have to make sure that your meter's black lead is connected to battery negative at the battery terminal itself. This is the common reference ground point for all the electrical circuits. Any circuit voltage testing that you do the meter has to be connected to a known good ground or else you'll get inaccurate results. The only time you would want to use both leads to measure something in a circuit is if your doing a voltage drop measurement across a component, connector, or section of wiring, measuring amperage, or measuring continuity.
Next, you need to have the circuit operational to test it properly. With the connector unplugged all your seeing is open source voltage. If you have a resistance problem you won't see it measuring open source voltage because there is no current flow. You need to back probe the connector, with it plugged in and circuit turned on, at each circuit with your meter's red lead.
Write down the voltages you see on each of those wires.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jul 19, 2014, 12:40 PM)
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 1:47 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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Ok, big difference. I did it the way you said...
I'm only getting voltage at the tan/red wire and it's constantly moving around. It ranges from .25 - .69 volts. I tried all the different wiper selections and the readings are about the same.
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 1:58 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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You don't have ~12 volts sitting on either the red/yellow or brown/white wires with wipers on high or low?
If not, find the wiper high/low relay in the power distribution center. Put your finger on it and then have someone turn the wipers on high and low. You should feel the relay click each time the switch is put to high and low.
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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jul 19, 2014, 1:59 PM)
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 2:02 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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yeah, that's correct. I don't have voltage at any of the wires except the tan & red wire. And it's less than a volt.
It only clicks when I move it to high and then to the next lowest setting. Any settings below those two and it doesn't make a peep.
(This post was edited by mystic2 on Jul 19, 2014, 2:05 PM)
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 2:08 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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That good because that tell you that the high/low relay has power to its coil and that the body control module is turning it on and off. That also means the body control module is receiving inputs from the wiper switch.
Find the front wiper on/off relay in the power distribution center. The relay should click when you turn the wiper switch from off to on or on to off.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 2:25 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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Nope. There's no click coming from any of the relays when I turn the switch from on to off or vice versa.
BCM?
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 2:30 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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Check fuse number 18 (40 amp) in the power distribution box.
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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jul 19, 2014, 2:30 PM)
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 2:36 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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There's no fuse in that slot.
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 2:44 PM
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Should be one in there according to the diagram
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 2:52 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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I don't know what to say. I guess someone stole it. Maybe not all Sebrings have that fuse. There's several other slots in the relay control center that don't have fuses in them.
Should I try a jumper wire to see if it makes the wiper motor come on? If you think I should, please give me some pointers on how to do it safely.
(This post was edited by mystic2 on Jul 19, 2014, 2:53 PM)
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 3:15 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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Fuse 17 is for the convertible top. You could move the one from there to the Fuse 18 slot.
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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jul 19, 2014, 3:15 PM)
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 3:23 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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The only slots that have 40 amp fuses are: 1,4,5,6,7,12 14 and 16. Could I try any of these fuses?
And what does your info say that slot 18 is for?
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 3:30 PM
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 3:35 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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Ok, I see.
Can you tell if any of the fuses I've listed above would be okay to try out in slot 18?
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 3:41 PM
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This is a 2005 convertible right? Why are your fuses missing?
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 4:04 PM
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It's not a convertible.
(This post was edited by mystic2 on Jul 19, 2014, 4:33 PM)
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 4:14 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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Sedan eh? The wiper schematics are the same for sedan and convertible. The fuse blocks are the same also. Fuse 17 location should be empty though. You could use ABS fuse 15 (if it has ABS) for testing. You could use fuse 12, but if it blows for some odd reason you won't have any radiator fans.
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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jul 19, 2014, 4:20 PM)
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 4:26 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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Where did you find a diagram that has all the fuses and relays labeled for this car?
I've searched online but came up empty handed.
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 4:30 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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I'm an automotive tech that has access to repair information.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jul 19, 2014, 4:40 PM)
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mystic2
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Jul 19, 2014, 4:39 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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I see.
I'll try the radiator fan fuse in the morning and let you know how it goes.
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Discretesignals
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Jul 19, 2014, 4:40 PM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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I'm not a sales person or anything, but check out ALLDataDIY.
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mystic2
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Jul 20, 2014, 5:33 AM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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That was it!! I can't believe after all I've been through it was only a missing fuse.
Within the Fuse & Relay Center there's several empty slots.
-37
-33
-31
-13
-15
-17
-18 (obviously this one)
-3
Which of these - if any - should I fill?
(This post was edited by mystic2 on Jul 20, 2014, 6:43 AM)
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kev2
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Jul 20, 2014, 7:34 AM
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Re: 2005 Chrysler Sebring 2.4 DOHC No Wipers
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its Sunday -
My colleague shouldn't mind me adding to post-
you are asking about missing fuses- have you removed any fuses after the wiper failure?
I will look at the wiring BUT - important to know- is there a REMOTE starter?
Anything else not working?
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