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chas
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Oct 25, 2010, 9:49 PM

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replacing the starter.
at the same time will be replacing the EFI fuel filter.
the fuel filter is a small metal canister about the size of a soup can.
it is above the starter, under the EFI intake on the side of the block.
the manual said it was on the frame rail.
the only way to get to it is to drop the starter and go in from the bottom after removing the starter.
not interested in dropping the starter every year to replace the EFI fuel filter.
this vehicle has 70 psi.
anybody successful cutting a high pressure 70psi EFI fuel line in the middle then extend with a flexible steel or copper line with clamps on both ends to relocate the fuel filter on the firewall or wheel well?
any suggestions.


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Oct 25, 2010, 10:32 PM

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Well until I saw the pressure specs I figured you were talking about a older Toyota p/u.

Regardless of the make. You really don't want to be cutting and splicing fuel lines for no reason (location isn't a reason,,, unless covered by a TSB, but then there would be a kit for it). You'll will wind up creating more problems than you're curing by doing this.

Placement of parts on some vehicles really has a guy questioning the motives of the engineers.... The popular theory is, engineers hate mechanics. Coming in at a close 2nd is, the manufacturer doesn't want the owners doing their own work..

But seriously I wouldn't move this filter for that reason..... The one upside I can tell you, is no matter how bad something is to get at or do, after you've done it a few times, it's really not such a bad job to do anymore......


chas
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Oct 25, 2010, 11:30 PM

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Well until I saw the pressure specs I figured you were talking about a older Toyota p/u.

Regardless of the make. You really don't want to be cutting and splicing fuel lines for no reason (location isn't a reason,,, unless covered by a TSB, but then there would be a kit for it). You'll will wind up creating more problems than you're curing by doing this.

Placement of parts on some vehicles really has a guy questioning the motives of the engineers.... The popular theory is, engineers hate mechanics. Coming in at a close 2nd is, the manufacturer doesn't want the owners doing their own work..

But seriously I wouldn't move this filter for that reason..... The one upside I can tell you, is no matter how bad something is to get at or do, after you've done it a few times, it's really not such a bad job to do anymore......


>>Placement of parts on some vehicles really has a guy questioning the motives of the engineers.... The popular theory is, engineers hate mechanics. Coming in at a close 2nd is, the manufacturer doesn't want the owners doing their own work.. >>

yeah.
they put it there for a reason.

>>But seriously I wouldn't move this filter for that reason..... The one upside I can tell you, is no matter how bad something is to get at or do, after you've done it a few times, it's really not such a bad job to do anymore......>>

no....it will never get easier.
you have not seen it.
its a tough job for a reason.
you are not the one that has to do it.

are there any after makers for EFI parts or keep me in the dark?


(This post was edited by chas on Oct 25, 2010, 11:36 PM)


Hammer Time
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Oct 26, 2010, 2:45 AM

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no....it will never get easier.
you have not seen it.
its a tough job for a reason.
you are not the one that has to do it.


How do you know we haven't done it a dozen times? Since you still haven't posted the year, make and model we have to guess at what your working on.



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chas
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Oct 26, 2010, 10:09 AM

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no....it will never get easier.
you have not seen it.
its a tough job for a reason.
you are not the one that has to do it.


How do you know we haven't done it a dozen times? Since you still haven't posted the year, make and model we have to guess at what your working on.


its an 89 toyota pickup with the 22r or 2.4 with EFI.
the fuel filter is in a real pain location.
the only way to get to it is to remove the starter then go in the from the bottom.
does not matter if foreign or domestic.
they are all the same now.
its not an easy job.
all i want to do is relocate.

the inline from the tank can be replaced easily.
the out line from the filter to the EFI is not so easy.
the line feeds into the bottom of the EFI.
the only way to replace the line is to remove the EFI housing then flip it over.
a sad miserable design done that way intentional.
i guess it depends on how you look at it.


Hammer Time
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Oct 26, 2010, 11:09 AM

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We change these filters all the time. They are a little tough to reach but nothing compared to some of the stuff we have on newer cars. The starter does not have to be removed to change it either. This filter uses banjo bolts and relocating it would present numerous new problems. It won't kill you to struggle a little bit every 30K or more. The flat rate is 1.0 hour so it wouldn't be that expensive to let a shop do it.



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chas
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Oct 26, 2010, 11:38 AM

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We change these filters all the time. They are a little tough to reach but nothing compared to some of the stuff we have on newer cars. The starter does not have to be removed to change it either. This filter uses banjo bolts and relocating it would present numerous new problems. It won't kill you to struggle a little bit every 30K or more. The flat rate is 1.0 hour so it wouldn't be that expensive to let a shop do it.


i agree.
the newer cars are worse.

you are missing the point.


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Oct 26, 2010, 3:52 PM

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you are missing the point.

And the point would be??? The answer would be that if you want to relocate the filter, purchase the parts and accessories needed, and install it so there is no leaks, then yes, go ahead and relocate it. So if you want to do it and have the ability to do so, relocate it. Good luck.



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Sidom
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Oct 26, 2010, 8:52 PM

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no....it will never get easier.
you have not seen it.
its a tough job for a reason.
you are not the one that has to do it.

are there any after makers for EFI parts or keep me in the dark?



Actually I am very familiar with this setup and have changed dozens & dozens of them. I agree it's in a bad spot, I remember my 1st one, I didn't think an hour was even close to being enough (and it wasn't). These can easily be changed in 15 to 20 minutes without removing anything. Using a 3/8s impact gun, 17mm impact wobble, long extension, 1/4" air ratchet & deep 10mm socket they come out quickly.

I get you're frustrated right now. To answer your question, I'm not aware of any bypass kits for Toyota fuel filters. You have to realize the AM is only going to make something there is a market for. While it's not the best design there isn't a problem with it and to be honest, as far tough automotive jobs go this really doesn't rank very high. I guarantee all these guys here could post jobs way worse than this I can think of about 4 or 5 right now without even trying.

What you're options are would be to google this setup. Who knows maybe someone is making something for this, I don't know I never looked, I've never had a reason to.

Your other option would be to cut the factory line out and rig something up.....I will still say again...... this is a very bad idea.... What ever you come up with is going to have to tap into the factory fuel rail and not leak.

It may not seem like it but even if you keep doing the way you already did it......This job does get easier, it will never be simple but the next time you do it, it won't be so bad and after you've changed it 4 or 5 times, you be glad you didn't cut up your lines.....






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