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comanche
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Nov 18, 2017, 7:42 AM
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After extended driving tcc will not relock at hiway speeds. Should speed drop well below initial lock up then be increased above 48 mph will again lockup and stay locked but not relock if driving conditions force the tranny out of lockup. This condition rarely occurs in local driving but mostly only on longer trips and is aggravated by hills and busy traffic. On a recent trip to the mountains of NC, I noticed when climbing a grade, the tranny would lockup out of the blue, just when it was most unneeded. [vacuum related?] There are no codes set and because this doesn't happen locally, I don't know to get it diagnosed.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Nov 18, 2017, 8:47 AM
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Year, Make, Model and trans type would help some.
Highway? If under a load, hills it's not supposed to lock up and other reasons,
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comanche
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Nov 18, 2017, 12:09 PM
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Per the title, the transmission is a 42re in a 2004 Jeep WJ, 4L, 4x4. In as much as this is electronically controlled, I'm thinking this is a PCM or sensor failure.
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Nov 18, 2017, 12:24 PM
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Gary (gsferraro) is a trans shop owner and should be along shortly with an answer for you.
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gsferraro
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Nov 18, 2017, 12:33 PM
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Hello, Nothing is controlled by vacuum on this trans, when lock-up occurs you will see the rpm drop by about 200. Is this what your seeing, a fluctuation of about 200 rpm? Gary
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comanche
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Nov 18, 2017, 12:40 PM
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Yes, it seems to work fine [seldom failing] in local driving, but on longer trips it will begin to fail to relock after from as short as 100 miles, sometimes it goes as far as 500 miles, depending on traffic conditions.
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gsferraro
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Nov 18, 2017, 3:16 PM
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If you have access to a scan tool that shows live data, you can look at inputs, the computer commands lock-up when certain conditions are met, goes by inputs to pcm like engine temp, trans temp, vss, throttle position. Anything going on with the engine on long trips does it seem to run hotter than normal? Gary
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comanche
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Nov 19, 2017, 5:43 AM
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Gary: Thanks for working on this. I have a live scan tool but have never carried it on trips but engine seems to always run fine, locally or on trips. Because it was inexpensive, I replaced the tps but no change. I thought that the unexpected lockup going up hills might indicate some sensor failure related to vacuum but no mil codes have ever appeared.
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gsferraro
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Nov 22, 2017, 6:49 AM
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Hello,
Maybe try cleaning the mass air flow sensor, i had that once but on a GM car, the tcc was cycling. Gary
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Discretesignals
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Nov 22, 2017, 9:18 AM
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Hey Gary, there is no mass air flow sensor on that model.
Looking at inputs would be a good idea to see if the PCM is actually commanding the tcc apply.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Nov 22, 2017, 10:58 AM)
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comanche
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Nov 22, 2017, 10:39 AM
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I think this 2004 6cyl has a MAP sensor. Can I assume that it could have the same effect as a MAF on the transmission.
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Discretesignals
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Nov 22, 2017, 11:06 AM
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MAP sensor is a critical sensor that the PCM uses for transmission pressure control/ shift timing. You really should start by looking at the transmission data stream information to see how the PCM is commanding the TCC when the problem is occurring. That would give you a direction in diagnosing your issue.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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