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Crown vic no start with key
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Kprov0kie
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Sep 23, 2024, 3:13 PM
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Crown vic no start with key
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2008
Ford Crown Vic
police
4.6
158k miles
I have a 2008 crown Vic that all of a sudden stop starting with the key I can jump a wire from the started relay to the battery and it will turn over and start just fine. I also tried hammer times of pen 86 and 30. Just a jumper wire and it starts just fine with that, so add a loss on where to go from here traced everything back and all wires seem to be put on a new starter and solenoid because I thought it was a solenoid. still same problem
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Hammer Time
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Sep 23, 2024, 4:35 PM
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You need to be real careful with that jumping out stuff. You touch the wrong contact and you'll fry your computer in a heartbeat.
What are your electrical skills? Are you able to tell me whether a contact has power or ground? Do you have an LED testlight that can detect power or ground?
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Kprov0kie
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Sep 23, 2024, 5:13 PM
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I’m not pro electric guy by any means. That’s what I’m worried about is frying pcm. Or maybe it already had been. I do have test light. Thanks.
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Sep 23, 2024, 5:20 PM
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I asked about a specific kind of test light. You need to be able to identify either power or ground. I can walk you through this if you have the ability to do what I ask.
This is like what I'm talking about. It's a powered LED test light
https://www.amazon.com/...r/dp/B000KIGL6E?th=1
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(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Sep 23, 2024, 5:25 PM)
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Kprov0kie
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Sep 23, 2024, 6:26 PM
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Oh gotcha. Yeah I just have regular power test light. I’ll see if I can pick up one of these.
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Sep 23, 2024, 7:29 PM
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Ok, let me know and I'll tell you what to do with it.
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Kprov0kie
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Sep 24, 2024, 5:55 AM
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Picked up one from a buddy last night. Thanks for the help!
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Hammer Time
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Sep 24, 2024, 6:49 AM
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It sounds like you have identified the pin numbers of the relay so lets do some testing.
Remove the relay and test the sockets of the corresponding pin numbers. You may need to use a pin or something in the socket if the testlight is too fat to reach the contacts.
Pin 87 output to starter. Will read ground when tested
Pin 30 Power supply for starter. Should have 12v at all times
Pin 85 should have ground at all times
Pin 86 should show power when the key is held in start position
Let me know what you find and we'll go from there.
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Kprov0kie
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Sep 25, 2024, 2:05 PM
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Ok! Pin 30 no power. I’m guessing that would be part of my problem!
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Sep 25, 2024, 2:15 PM
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OK, then you need to look at the 30A fuse #105 in the underhood fuse box.
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Kprov0kie
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Sep 25, 2024, 2:17 PM
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It does not appear to be blown/bad, but I don’t have another to replace with at the moment.
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Sep 25, 2024, 2:22 PM
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If your test is correct, then that is your problem. That type fuse is very hard to tell.
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Kprov0kie
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Sep 26, 2024, 5:27 AM
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Guessing my test to be wrong. Still same issue. I’m going to look at my Trs and check it maybe. I’ve tried starting in gear/neutral though but no luck. Will keep chasing!
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Sep 26, 2024, 5:35 AM
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The power for pin 30 comes directly from the battery, to the fuse, to the relay socket so there is nothing in between.
Pull the fuse out and test for power in the socket to make sure the fuse is receiving power from the battery.
There is no point in chasing the neutral switch as that was resolved when you found power on pin #86. That runs through the neutral switch.
The testing I gave you systematically finds the problem area.
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Kprov0kie
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Sep 26, 2024, 5:43 AM
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Fuse does appear to be powered via battery.
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Sep 26, 2024, 5:45 AM
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It's a straight shot from there to the relay.
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Sep 26, 2024, 6:08 AM
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Make sure you are checking the correct relay. The starter relay is marked in the previous diagram.
Here's your wiring diagram
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Kprov0kie
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Sep 26, 2024, 6:41 AM
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Will double check. The more I think about it maybe I’m looking at pins wrong and do have power to 30. If so what would it be?
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Sep 26, 2024, 6:43 AM
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Then you retest all pins
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Sep 27, 2024, 7:32 AM
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I do have power to pin30. And all others seem to be functioning as well. Have tried numerous relays also and same issue. Any ideas? Thanks.
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Sep 27, 2024, 7:37 AM
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That's just simply not true. You can't possibly have all the circuits working correctly and tried multiple relays and still doesn't work.
You're doing something wrong. Those results can't add up. I'm just wasting my time if you are not giving me accurate test results.
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Sep 27, 2024, 10:34 PM
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Just curious, but does this have an aftermarket alarm system or remote start system installed?
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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Sep 28, 2024, 3:35 AM
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I would expect that would show up during relay circuit testing if it did. He's claiming all signals to operate the relay are present. I doubt that.
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