Don't buy fuel when the place is getting fuel! Think of thier huge gas tank as like a bottle of Italian style salad dressing which when undisturbed settles junk and water to the bottom and when they are getting gas it stirs it all up and you may get some junk. They pump that junk out periodically but why risk it??
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It happened at a gas station I worked at! A bunch of dead cars about a mile down the road! It was the owner's job to check the tanks and he was late. That was in the 70s and owner took full responsibility but still it didn't leave a bunch of happy customers! Truly that was just an honest mistake - taken care of.
Tom Greenleaf - MetroWest Boston - USA
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Good advice about the fuel Tom. Just to add to it, buy your gas in the morning or late evening. In the cooler parts of the day, gasoline is at it's most dense state. You will get the most bang for your buck that way.

That's a pretty neat trick, go for it, any advantage is something. Oil companies are far from going broke right now! My state has imposed laws against gouging. I'm going out on a limb here but want to know where the oil producing countries are for us right now?? Get this stuff flowing and WE should get real serious about useing less,
Tom Greenleaf - MetroWest Boston - USA
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Hi Tom... Good post. As with Gas I've heard the other day on 20/20 since they where doing a special on the leader of Venezuela. That Venezuela supplies gas to about 14,000 US Citgo Stations.

In addition, The History Channel ran a special on Sugar processing And as it turns out Brazil... got tired of the high gas prices in the 70's and 80's and now they grow sugar cane on about 15 million acres which they process into Ethyl Alcohol and supply over 90% of the countries gasoline this way.


It may be time to move on and vote in politicians with dreams and goals of change, not just dreams of getting rich... and a getting themself into a great retirement package.

To all -- Vote! We may not agree but just do it. Get registered if not now. Untold thousands of real people fought and many lost their lives for your right to do that. Need I say more?
Tom Greenleaf - MetroWest Boston - USA
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just a little note, fill on the low setting as to not create vapors as the will escape as you are filling, and also fill the the tank when it reaches half full/empty again it is the vapors thing again, (air in the tank, that is why it seems that when you reach the half way mark your gauge goes from half to empty real fast)

So true! Gasoline by nature needs to evaporate quickly and does "atomize" in nano seconds to be able to run an engine so even just sitting there is disappears! The more exposure to air the faster. Just what we need! This thread started ages ago and you found it!

T
Tom Greenleaf - MetroWest Boston - USA
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I don’t want to contradict or anything here but some of the older ideas in the above posts no longer hold true.
Most oil companies now add a percentage of ethanol (corn/sugar alcohol) to their gasoline.
Anything below 15% ethanol will not be noticeable in the running of a vehicle; above that percentage will or could cause running issues. Harder starts, loss in fuel mileage & power.
That’s where the E85 compatible vehicles come into play, 85% alcohol 15% gas; along with electronics that compensate for the variable differences in the fuel.

Ok with that being said Ethanol has a natural positive magnetic charge, where gasoline has a neutral charge. The neutral charge of gas will allow particles (dirt) to settle and accumulate on the bottom of the tanks.
The positive charge of ethanol keeps these particles suspended (floating); so when dirt is introduced to the large tanks, it doesn’t settle, it gets pumped out, with everyone getting a bit of this dirt.
Plus alcohol disperses water, the same as what methyl hydrate (gas line anti freeze) does; so unless there’s a whack of water introduced to a tank, condensation is no longer an issue.

15 or so years ago, when I still had my gas station; the company notified us that they were beginning to add ethanol and that the maintenance department would be out to remove the filters from the gas pumps.
They knew there was sediment in the bottom of their tanks and it was going to plug up their pump’s filters.
After about 6 months of fuel with ethanol being put through the tanks; maintenance came back and reinstalled the filters. They knew the tank would be flushed out by then.
If we had a customer complaint of a plugged fuel filter in their vehicle; we were to replace the filter and the company would reimburse us for the cost.


Right or wrong but their philosophy was, if we don’t tell anyone during the change over they wont know. Once the transition was complete they advertised that their fuel was environmentally friendly because of the ethanol being a renewable resource.

Economicly ethanol hasn’t done anything for us; we haven’t seen a decrease in the cost of fuel but an increase in the cost of beef & pork.
The farmers now have to compete with the oil companies when purchasing corn to feed their livestock.

I know I’ve gone way off subject but I’m so tired of the propaganda these large companies force apon us; I get upset and start to ramble. LOL

Dan.

Canadian "EH"

i dont want to get to far off subject here, but i personally think e85 is the way to go, i run it in my 97 suburban, it is a very easy conversion, here in south dakota we have really high gas prices compared to some our neighboring states, so e85 is 88 cents a gallon cheaper than regular nolead yes it is true on average you get 20% less gas milage, and we get it from the local ethanol plant??? hmmm thats kinda tough, i mean i really do want to send my money to the middle east so i can personally help fund 9-11 the second coming of al qaeda, dan you are in good with the big oil companies did you get your share of exxons 40 billion profit last year??? just rambling on, you can run up to 40% ethanol with no problems in modern day vehicles, like dan said the only issue will be fuel filters, we have blender pumps in our area which means we have a choice e10, e30, e85 and the midddle east equivalent, my wife runs e30 in her 91 caddy somewhere around 100 octane, i run e85 105 octane, no Sh!t about a 20hp increase, i can do burn outs in 5000 lb small block suburban!! which by the way when i run the 87 octane it barely gets it moving from standstill, the choice is yours, support your local farmer or the master minds of 9-11




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