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ALWEST
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Feb 6, 2012, 9:35 AM

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Saw an add for power chip that also saves gas. Has anybody used one and do they have bad effects on vehicle. Ihave a 2011 colorado with in line 5.THanks for any input.


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Feb 6, 2012, 10:53 AM

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Yes most name brand units do work .BUT ,You dont get the mpg they claim,at least the ones i have dealt with. My son tows a 56 ft 3 car trailer with a dodge turbo dually, he has 27 " semi wheels on it.With a "chip" actually a reprogrammer in this case,he can correct his speedo, shift points and set fuel management for power or economy.In power mode he can incease HP/torque by 1/3 or more. When not towing ,economy mode can give him up to 3-5 mpg increase. Simiple chip only units do less but do offer some increase /improvement .All must be used wuth care and may void your warrenty if you have one.


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Feb 6, 2012, 12:26 PM

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Keep in mind that they are illegal to use on emission certified vehicle that operates on US highways. That is considered emissions tampering, Federal offense.



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Feb 6, 2012, 2:14 PM

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 BEG TO DIFFER:
Are JET Performance Chips emissions legal?

Yes. All JET Performance Chips and most Performance Modules are 50 state emissions legal. They do not change the emissions at all from the stock tuning chip for any Federal or local emissions test. C.A.R.B. (California Air Resources Board) has issued Executive Order numbers D-234 through D-234-6 covering all JET Performance Power Chips, making JET Performance chips the most complete line of high-performance chips that can legally be sold, installed, and driven in the state of California. Because of C.A.R.B.'s very rigid rules concerning exhaust emissions, the Environmental Protection Agency ( E.P.A. ) accepts C.A.R.B. approval as evidence that an aftermarket part is clean and suitable for use in all other 49 states Jet Power Chips
We've heard them all. Jet power chips will void your warranty! Jet power chips will blow up your engine! Jet power chips aren't emissions-legal! Wrong, wrong, and very wrong. Let's start at the beginning: Jet power chips replace the stock ECU chips in your vehicle's fuel injection and/or ignition computer. There, they remap your injection and ignition curves under the assumption that your car is well-maintained and running high-octane gasoline. If you're not going to meet these two criteria, don't mess with Jet power chips. But if you're willing to use premium gas and keep your car running right, Jet power chips can give you a pile of free horsepower. Now as for our objections, Jet power chips do not void the manufacturer's warranty. Jet power chips do not overdrive your engine, and as long as you use good gasoline they will not cause damage. And Jet power chips are emissions-legal in all 50 states, so even you folks in strict California can enjoy the 10-50 horsepower boost that Jet power chips can provide. So set your mind at ease: Jet power chips just remove the “granny factor” that the automaker has to build in to your car's tuning. You know you're going to do what it takes to keep your car running well, so tell your car it's time to play hard by installing Jet power chips today.


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Feb 6, 2012, 2:43 PM

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You really want to pick this battle RT?


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Jet power chips replace the stock ECU chips in your vehicle's fuel injection and/or ignition computer. There, they remap your injection and ignition curves


That factor alone is Federal tampering.

The federal tampering prohibition is contained in section 203(a)(3) of the Clean Air Act (Act), 42 U.S.C. 7522(a)(3). Section 203(a)(3)(A) of the Act prohibits any person from removing or rendering inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in any motor vehicle in compliance with regulations under Title II of the Act (i.e., regulations requiring certification that vehicles meet federal emissions standards). The maximum civil penalty for a violation of this section by a manufacturer or dealer is $25,000; for any other person, $2,500. Accordingly, any change from the original certified configuration of a vehicle or engine, or the manufacture or sale of a non-original equipment aftermarket part or system could be considered a violation of section 203(a)(3) of the Act. This would include modifications to the fuel delivery system.



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Feb 6, 2012, 2:55 PM

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United States Air and Radiation EPA420-F-96-020
Environmental Protection March 1996
Agency

Office of Mobile Sources
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EPA Environmental Fact Sheet
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EMISSIONS WARRANTIES
FOR 1995 AND NEWER CARS & TRUCKS


What Reasons Can the Manufacturer Use to Deny a Warranty Claim?

If your vehicle is within the age and mileage limits for the
applicable emissions warranty, the manufacturer can only deny coverage
if evidence shows that you have failed to properly maintain and use
your vehicle, causing the part or emission test failure. Some
examples of misuse and malmaintenance include the following:

* vehicle abuse such as off-road driving or overloading; or

* tampering with emission control parts or systems, including
removal or intentional damage of such parts or systems; or

* improper maintenance, including failure to follow maintenance
schedules and instructions specified by manufacturer, or use of
replacement parts which are not equivalent to the originally
installed parts.



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Feb 6, 2012, 5:42 PM

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 use of replacement parts which are not equivalent to the originally installed parts.

What if the tuners meet or exceed the OEM specs? Just a simple question.



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Feb 6, 2012, 5:49 PM

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A chip by definition cannot meet certification because it alters a certified program so it is automatically emissions tampering.

Any aftermarket component has to be pre-certified by the EPA to not be guilty of tampering. It's not even legal to install dual exhaust on a vehicle that came with single exhaust even if the converters remain intact.





Revisions to the U.S. Clean Air Act in 1990 (40 CFR Title 2, Part A, Section 203) further broadened the definition of emissions tampering to include virtually ANY type of engine or exhaust system modification, performed by anyone, that alters, or might alter, what comes out the tail pipe. That means any nonstock aftermarket part that is installed on your engine must be EPA-approved and emissions legal (except on the exempt vehicles noted below) if you will be driving on public roads. Canadian federal clean air laws are very similar.
However, federal anti-tampering law does not apply to race cars that are not operated on the street, other full-time off-road vehicles, show cars that are not street driven, or vehicles not factory equipped with emission controls (most 1967 and earlier vehicles). So that exempts all antique cars, and many classic cars and muscle cars.
Aftermarket parts manufacturers who make non-stock performance parts for engines, such as the fuel, ignition or exhaust systems must apply for special certification (an "exemption order" - E.O.) for any parts they want to sell as being emissions legal. The California Air Resources Board (CARB) has been the leading American government body in this respect, so most submit their proposals to CARB to obtain exemptions. Any non-OEM electronic fuel injection controller would be an unapproved replacement part unless it has been granted an exemption.



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Feb 6, 2012, 6:20 PM

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I was just looking through the CARB website and they have executive orders to allow certain performance products or modification installed as long as they don't degrade or eliminate any of the emissions components.
For example GM submitted to CARB a LNF turbocharger upgrade kit for the Ecotec. This includes a software revision along with hardware changes to the engine. CARB tested the addition and didn't find that is reduced or eliminated any pollution controls or their effectiveness.

CARB is more stringent with emissions than the federal law that is enacted. If it is ok with CARB, then it surely abides by the federal laws. Quite a few of those tuner companies products have XOs from CARB.

If the software change eliminated or negatively affected the operation of the emission devices, that would be a against Fed law for sure.





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Feb 6, 2012, 6:42 PM

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I just read the specific executive orders 234-1 and what they are approved to sell is application for 86 to 92 GM vehicles only. It also states that no chages from factory specs can be made or the order is void so basically they have permission to sell a few oem replacement PROMs.





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Feb 6, 2012, 6:48 PM

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Just curious, but since your vehicle is a 2011 truck and your worried about gas mileage, why didn't you get hybrid or a compact car?

If you do decide to go with a performance upgrade and you live in a emissions testing state, you better make sure it complies with Fed laws.





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Feb 6, 2012, 9:01 PM

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Before you chop anymore of my fingers off.Check the EO's database it's quite extensive . The system I have is listed. Includes mods to intake ,exhaust and ecu. I'm not trying to pick a scrap HT. Just presenting the fact that things are not cast in stone . Nothing bout use of a test lite tho . lolol
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Database: Aftermarket Parts Database of Executive Orders


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Feb 7, 2012, 6:10 AM

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The only certification that Jet Performance ever received was for OEM spec replacement PROMs for a specific set of OBD1 GM engines with the stipulation that they did not modify the original program in any way.

That statement is in each and every certification that they give. As long as the item installed will duplicate the original configuration they will allow it provided no instructions to deviate from the original program are included. They are skirting the law to sell the product which transfers the responsibility and liability to the owner who can still be fined if he modifies the settings from OEM configuration.



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Feb 7, 2012, 3:40 PM

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I had choose Jet products by random .THe system on my dually turo diesel was made by Banks which another story. MY point was that there was exceptions. THe list of EO's shows that . Enough is enough , lets move on to less irritating things . Drinks are on DS. LOLOL


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Feb 8, 2012, 5:39 PM

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Got plenty to drink around here. Wink





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