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caiushart
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Feb 25, 2016, 11:22 AM

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For starters I need help identifying this mark on the car. I have searched everywhere and I cannot find it. Anything you can tell me would be appreciated. The vehicle itself is believed to be heavily customised. It is believed to be from the 1920s and is supposedly European in origin.

The mark:
http://autoforums.carjunky.com/...ic/255CPlKj/1006.jpg

The whole vehicle:
http://autoforums.carjunky.com/...ic/255CPlKj/1007.jpg


(This post was edited by caiushart on Feb 25, 2016, 12:02 PM)


Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 25, 2016, 12:38 PM

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Re: Need Help Identifying Vehicle Sign In

Yikes - tough one. Steering wheel is on the right so would highly likely be a British car maker. You'd be surprised how many there were long out of biz.
Google out car makers of Great Briton. TMK without doing so myself Rolls Royce, goes way, way back but doesn't smack of that brand. Try assorted names of coach makers of British Leylands.
Then try Google Images for emblems of brands you find to zoom in your search.


Hey - question: Looks like it's on display at some show or collection. Did you take the pics and what was said being right there?


For now best I can say is the US car makers of luxo "Landau"* type cars would NOT have specially made one for right hand driving so it would be a Euro something.
* Landau is when driver sits out in the weather like that with coach for the owners a left over from a stage coach idea......



caiushart
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Feb 25, 2016, 12:45 PM

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I actually work at the museum this vehicle is being displayed at. It was first owned by a private collector who had no real records of how he got it or from whom so the information we have on it isn't accurate. The Landau type cars could have the double back wheels? Have you seen a vehicle similar to this one at all?


Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 25, 2016, 1:12 PM

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? Just was looking myself. No exact match for the emblem yet. The rear wheels don't make much sense to me? Why? That's part of the "Custom" of it IMO/GUESS.
See if this site shows was showing this which may not show here.........



That was removed general link under the image that may not show.
This is what I just Googled...........
https://www.google.com/...+British+car+emblems
Keep trying different search words. The crown in your pic suggests a country with Royalty and not all capable of making cars did the King and Queen thing so you are testing my History of Europe and who did what when!
FYI - Car and coach making was strongest with probably Germany - the first auto made by them subject to opinion. The Brits and Italians should have been strong as well.
It's a luxo car so should be a limit to which country would even bother if they did too.
We'll find out what the emblem is at least. If you are there look for marks on the engine. Could be a straight 8 cylinder but not sure at all. No telling if engine is for the car either I guess. Most would be called a "Tunnel Drive" which means to me trans and driveshaft are bolted up solid so nothing moving to see making the rear differential torque the whole drivetrain like a "T" if you will. High bet all rear wheels don NOT drive this thing just the front most ones.
Still looking around,


Tom

The link just went to Pinterest registration page.



(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Apr 9, 2016, 12:59 PM)


Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 25, 2016, 1:18 PM

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Sorry for two posts - I might have the word "Laundau" wrong? It was always my thought that coaches that the driver not inside was a Laundau but now think that's inaccurate, Tom


caiushart
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Feb 25, 2016, 2:07 PM

Post #6 of 16 (521 views)
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When I go back to work I will ask about the engine and do a proper write up of everything I find when I examine the vehicle further. That will be this saturday.

The back wheels are really frustrating though. I have found other cars with six wheels but the double wheel set is typically in the front of the car not the back.

I noticed the emblem had a double headed eagle. Which is symbolic of the Russian or Byzantine royalty. Obviously this car isn't from Byzantine, but would it be possible it was Russian?


Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 25, 2016, 2:27 PM

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? Russian? They did make cars but it's the right hand drive that throws me off - why? Part of altering it - maybe.
Trivia for you: Driving on the left, steering from the right was later. Think. The way to drive or ride and pass people on a road even prior to cars is "Clockwise" in doing such. Think of entering a rotary for example.
This all off the top of my head not searched out. Boats and navigation is just the opposite you drive from the right where motor vehicles for land drive on the left just opposite of which country does which way.
Back to Russian? Not sure if all was well defined which way you did what? It's possible the vehicle with 4 rear wheels could be such that you could have a 1/2 track drive for rear - wild traction as I don't think roads were as good in huge Russia everywhere as they would be in say London and some other very old Euro cities and areas making roads of stones long before motorized vehicles.
Dang, the only thing I can think of world standard is railroad tracks - exactly 5 feet 8+1/2 inches not some metric measure - worldwide.
This could end up a goose chase as you said the car was totally custom as it is. Could be parts from assorted vehicles for powertrain and coachwork from others? May not find a sure answer for this one? Tom


caiushart
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Feb 25, 2016, 2:39 PM

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I hesitate to mention because I haven't been able to verify it yet but... according to the collector it was a Hispano Suiza. It doesn't look like any Hispano Suiza I have come across.


Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 25, 2016, 3:01 PM

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I'm almost done for a while here. Did look at those cars and can see why one would think it was part one of them. This site and pics don't work all the time with me but here's one that's close with some metal work......

^^^^ Was there?
The car is so custom it's going to be difficult as it's proving to be,


Tom


Double J
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Feb 25, 2016, 10:09 PM

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Only ones that I have seen that come close to this are the German staff cars made by Mercedes/ Daimler- Benz
The W31 G4

Click

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Tom Greenleaf
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Feb 26, 2016, 1:40 AM

Post #11 of 16 (484 views)
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I think you found it Double J. The double rear wheels would be difficult as a whimsical custom job so is part of the car or made from that chassis. Germany had the steel work, engineering to make about anything. Double wheels not needed except tires stunk still so would matter complete with dual side mount spares.
What fails is the emblem of a crown and right hand steering wheel so custom is the operative name for that car no doubt one of a kind w high bet the German drivetrain, Tom
PS: Think it's that old but steel may bear mold marks of the Eisen-Gotz steel makers of Germany?


Hammer Time
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Feb 26, 2016, 3:28 AM

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I like this part

Armament:
OPTIONAL:
1 OR 2 x 7.92 MG34 OR MG 42 machine gunson pintle mounts at amidships (behind front bench) and aft (behind rear-most bench). Additionally, any personal weapons could be used in defense.



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We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.



Double J
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Feb 26, 2016, 3:41 AM

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LOL

Saw that....
Wonder how much that option cost?...LOL

Found this site..shows one that was restored...click on the small images and you get a close up of the axles, engine etc...
click


Double J
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Feb 26, 2016, 4:06 AM

Post #14 of 16 (462 views)
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Found this site
For what its worth

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paulrhyan
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Apr 9, 2016, 11:54 AM

Post #15 of 16 (352 views)
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This thread is getting kind of old but I just thought I would add my $.02.

Regarding the emblem. I'm not sure exactly where it is positioned on the car (Not on the hood or grill from what I can see). So I have to wonder; is it a manufacturer's emblem or could it be a family crest of the original owner.

If the original owner was a man of wealth and/or title and a member of a prominent family of the time, then I am assuming that it isn't much of a stretch that his automobile (probably one of few at the time) would be adorned with the family crest (or part of their coat of arms).

Just a thought. Good Luck.

BTW: Is it just me or is that car really longer than my dad's Winnebago?


Discretesignals
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Apr 9, 2016, 5:19 PM

Post #16 of 16 (340 views)
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Its a 1923 Hispano-Suiza H6A 6-Wheel Victoria Town Car.

http://www.forneymuseum.org/FE_HispanoSuiza.html

Maybe if you visit or call the museum, they can give you information on that emblem.





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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Apr 9, 2016, 5:25 PM)






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