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No Fun DIY at minus 10
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Jan 8, 2014, 3:45 PM

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Well, it's very cold outside in Minnesota and when replacing battery, I broke the male plastic fitting below oil fill cap on valve rocker cover when removing rubber hose that runs from fitting over to large diameter Air Intake (watch-a-ma-callit) that goes into Air Filter.
Question. It broke off fairly even with surface of Oil Cap Neck on valve cover. Can I simply place some suitable material over the hole and use a band clamp to seal it off so oil does not fly out and keep using for the remainder of winter months?
It's an old 1992 rust bucket Ranger with a 3.0L engine that still works pretty well, but I ONLY use it for around town, and in the winter months to keep the salt and sand away from my better 'old' truck.
Will any damage be done if used only a few miles each day?
If no damage for intended winter use, should I block off other end in Air Intake next to Air Filter, or leave open?
No way am I going to take it to a garage - too expensive and truck too old to spend money on. Other option would be to not drive it until I can replace valve cover in the Spring.
What do you think?
Thank You.


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Jan 8, 2014, 4:15 PM

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You can't cap that off because that is the breather inlet for the PCV system. If there is no inlet for the PCV system, your crankcase will build a vacuum. If you still have the nipple you could epoxy it back on. There is some good stuff called Q-bond that works really well on plastics. Might be kind of tricky getting the powder to stay on it before you add the activator though.





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Jan 8, 2014, 4:24 PM

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I hear you with this freaking cold. Just hit 11F where I am in MA.
What I've succeeded at all depending on locations for a good repair is to thread it if a clean shot with plumbing threat tap. Hardware store for a threaded spout of the same size and new piece of hose. That was for a broken hose fitting in plastic of a radiator end tank as an emergency and lasted, was strong.


If you can't just get a new or used valve cover real soon that could work. Yes - for short order do plug the hole. IDK, a piece of cut open fuel line and a worm clamp but you need this thing right even if a Winter beater worth it's weight in gold to save better vehicles.


All depends on just how it's broken and access to fake something permanent or bite the bullet and get a whole used valve cover. Personally I haven't found a glue that works if like what I think you are dealing with. Good luck,


T



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Jan 8, 2014, 4:28 PM

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Hitting at the same time. If that creates a hopeless vacuum as DS just said it would be a problem if wrong. Do whatever with the glue he mentioned or something but you can't leave it broken,


T



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Jan 8, 2014, 5:20 PM

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Q-bond works really good because it sets instantly. It also works on metal, go figure. I don't know how many times that got me out of trouble at the shop.





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Jan 8, 2014, 8:19 PM

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Discretesignals, thank you for your response and time. Yes, looks like Q Bond is the way to go for now and maybe for the life of the truck. I checked out Q Bond and it's applications on Youtube videos and it appears to be a really amazing product. Will purchase some and give it a try as soon as the outside temp warms up again in a few days.
Many thanks, and also for the technical advice on harm done if not properly repaired.
Just what I needed to understand for my next move.


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Jan 8, 2014, 8:25 PM

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Thank you also Tom Greenleaf, I'll try Discretesignals advice in a few days with Q Bond, and if I can't get to work, I can always spend the time and replace the cover.
Thanks again.


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Jan 9, 2014, 2:11 AM

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I gotta at least see this product. Others didn't work for what I see you are up to. May take a hair blow dryer for some heat and clean parts with like Brake Cleaner so the oil is gone.


I don't think trying that will preclude later trying what I do (did - done with this stuff) with brass NPT threaded spout of the right size and thread the hole with the right tap. Here they sell that stuff in singles so you wouldn't need a whole set.


A quick search found an aftermarket valve cover was NOT available. Stay warm. Still suks here. If you can find a place that's heated do so. It totally suks working in that cold plus things don't work well like spray anything in cans.


Stupid things like what happened really cause a hassle. Think of what you would have to tell a customer that for some silly things like a new battery was going to take quite a whileCrazy
(edit) found a pic of what I was talking about..........



Tom



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Jan 9, 2014, 3:26 AM

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Hi Tom, I was up early this morning and saw a picture of what you were talking about. Also interesting you mentioned using a hair dryer along with Q Bond as I was talking to a friend about the situation last night who also mentioned the same thing. Thanks.
I may well indeed take a trip to the hardware store and look around for the threaded spout shown in your picture. Very interesting.
Thanks.


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Jan 9, 2014, 3:34 AM

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That Q-bond may be some super strong stuff but it's very difficult to use in some situations. It is a power that has to be poured into position and that's nearly impossible on the underside of something if you can't move it around.



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Jan 9, 2014, 5:18 AM

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Whatever works it can be fixed IMO and forget it till this truck croaks from something else. I still need to try the Q-Bond stuff.


This was always available stuff at a good auto parts place now concentrating more on car wax and floor mats instead of cool stuff so you need a GOOD hardware store also. Pot luck with the home type center places. I have always had close by great hardware stores too.
If confused on what I'm thinking to fix it not seeing the exact location of this broken thing you get the tap. Shown below is 1/4 NPT....

Package or on the thing will say what drill size to use or should. You could practice on a good piece of scrap wood. I think I really know what trouble you are in with a stupid broken thing like that. Been there and done assorted stuff broken by others, frequently from a shop working too fast and breaking stuff that isn't readily available all brand new.


Lousy time of year for you to go junkyarding for the whole cover at some get your own junkyard. I won't do it here till it's warmer and stock isn't all full of snow - screw that!


Tom



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Jan 9, 2014, 6:10 AM

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Yes Hammer Time, looks like it will be very difficult to use Q Bond without removing valve cover. Maybe in the Spring if nothing else works.


Tom Greenleaf, can you give me the website you found the 'Threaded Spout' on when you have time. I've been Goggling but cannot find.


Thanks.


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Jan 9, 2014, 8:55 AM

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You could probably get it to work with some two-part epoxy from the parts store. Q-bond is pretty cool but as pointed out you can't use it out of position. Clean the area real good with parts cleaner and warm it up with a hair dryer, then mix up some epoxy and put it on thick. Might hold you off for now. Its going to warm up this weekend, so it might be easier in the long run to call a wrecking yard and just get a good valve cover. How can you beat temps in the 30's, right?


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Jan 9, 2014, 8:55 AM

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Tom, no problem, I found the Threaded Male Pipe Connector on the Internet. Now I'm going to call around town to see if I can purchase it locally first.
Will get back to you. Thanks.
I've got several ways I think I can make it work.


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Jan 9, 2014, 9:01 AM

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I use things like "Google Images" or "Bing" images to find pics like were shown. Those do say where the pics came from like a catalog or who knows sometimes. I think both came from True Value hardware site of pics suggesting they have all that and think they do.

Had luck with them, Ace, Do-It is another near me. Those are locally owned and folks always help even for dinky sales. Maybe just me but the local stores seem to be great and faster than the huge homecenters for dinky stuff sometimes.

Again may be local but NAPA always helped and used to stock this junk but less now as there's no money in carrying every size of this stuff nor take up room.

IDK, if you do look for things like that and not easy try a plumbing supply place near you?? Impossible to guess what type places are near you. On-line purchases would be hard to explain then wait for $10 bucks worth of stupid stuff.

You'll figure out the best way and can fix that,

Tom



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Jan 9, 2014, 1:11 PM

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Thanks to EVERYONE for your suggestions. Much appreciated.
After looking things over, and checking with NAPA (no valve covers available as Tom stated) I'm pretty convinced I will not be able to repair the broken off plastic hose connector during the winter months - at least a repair job that will hold out till Spring.
Soooooo, will place oil proof gasket material over hole in Oil Cap neck, tighten band clamp over it. Then I'm going to look for some hollow steel tubing approximately the ID of breather hose, drill a hole in a small piece of flat steel that can be slightly curved to match Oil Cap neck circumference, place the steel tubing through hole in plate and weld or braze tube in place with about 1/4 inch protruding at one end, and 1" or so on other side. Drill similar hole in Oil Cap neck about midway up and insert 1/4" end of tubing with plate into Oil Cap neck (with washer and gasket material) add a band clamp on top and bottom of plate.
Place breather hose over 1" end, and another small band clamp to keep air tight, and START'ER UP.
Will get back in a few days to let you know the results.
Thanks again.


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Jan 9, 2014, 2:00 PM

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I would figure you wouldn't find a new one at a parts house, but did you try a salvage yard? There plenty of them in your general area. Try car-part.com, its like a search engine for salvage yards. Might also get lucky and find someone on CL parting out a Ford with the same engine. A used valve cover from a boneyard would probably be cheaper than all the stuff you're going to get to try to rig it, and with a lot less hassle for you to put in.


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Jan 10, 2014, 7:10 PM

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Many, many thanks to Nick, Tom, Hammer Time, and Discretesignals.
SUCCESS! In ONE HOUR, PROBLEM SOLVED:
I appreciate all the advice and suggestions. Your help got my grey matter working overtime, and I'm BACK ON THE ROAD AGAIN!
Found a NEW valve cover at a Ford dealer in Kansas, wanted $225 with shipping, FOR A SINGLE COVER. No Way!
Well, I decided to go ahead with my little brainstorm project I mentioned earlier, headed out into the garage and started digging through the junk box (40 years worth).
The first item I saw was a nice thick 3" X 17/32" piece of painted steel PIPE I cut off a display stand leg years ago (I still remembered where it came from), precisely 1/32" larger than the 1/2" ID of the breather hose. My heart leapt as I inserted it into the breather hose IN A VERY SOLID MANNER.
Next I drilled out the 7/16" hole made in the Oil Cap neck when I snapped off the connector. I used a 1/2 Drill Bit and very carefully made sure none of the Nylon Plastic Neck chips went down inside the valve cover.
With just a slight bit of forcing, the 17/32" pipe was inserted into the neck about 2/3 way across the inside. The other end was inserted into the breather hose WITH A SMALL BAND CLAMP to insure pipe could not come loose and fall inside valve cover.
The breather hose is S shaped and has some spring to it, keeps the pipe adequately held into the valve cover.
Been driving around town on errands today, and there is absolutely NO LEAKAGE WHAT-SO-EVER where pipe enters neck.
Problem sovled, 92 Ranger running great! Praise the Lord, and thanks again for all assistance guys - awesome website you have indeed.
"Salt and Sand, Mush and Dirt, Minnesota winter roads, catch me if you can."
Thanks again to all.
Phil in St. Cloud, Mn.


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Jan 10, 2014, 7:27 PM

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Glad to hear you got it resolved.

Closing the question now to keep the spammers out. It can be reopened on request.



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