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No 1st gear on 99 Concorde 3.2L
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ms6615
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Sep 6, 2014, 11:21 AM
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No 1st gear on 99 Concorde 3.2L
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I have a 1999 Chrysler Concorde lxi with 3.2L engine, from what I gather it has the 42LE A606 transmission.
For years now it has had no 1st gear. I thought for a long time that it was just rough shifting into 1st, but now I think it's not been working at all. After listening more closely, every time it tries to shift into 1st, from p/r/n or from 2nd when slowing down, it tries to goes into 1st, can't, and then goes into 2nd instead. As I said this has been happening for more than a year at least, and has been 100% consistent the entire time. There is no clutch slippage as far as I can tell, and every other gear and shifts between them works perfectly and smoothly every time. The car accelerates fine from 2nd gear, you just can't gun it from a dead stop or it'll try another time to go back to 1st gear and fall much more harshly back to 2nd because the engine is pushing harder.
I've been looking a lot at different ways that it could be failing, but as far as I can tell as long as it's consistent and it's just that one thing that's failing, it seems like it should continue that way for a good while. I had issues with a pontiac transmission a few years ago, and a shop recommended we flush and replace the fluid, but that only sent it into complete failure because they didn't diagnose it right (it needed new clutch plates and the old fluid was the only reason it kept working). It doesn't seem to me like it shouldn't be a clutch issue, since then it should also be affecting one of the other gears, but I haven't found enough info to know which gear sets are which. I'm assuming it's either a bad seal somewhere or the solenoid module, which is completely internal on this model.
I'm just wondering if anyone could guess more specifically what the issue is, and if it will be okay this way or if it will start to damage other things in the transmission. The car has almost 230k miles, so unless it's a very necessary repair (next 15k miles or so), I'll probably just run it this way until it dies. There are other things on the car that will likely fail before that time frame is up.
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Discretesignals
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Sep 6, 2014, 11:27 AM
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Re: No 1st gear on 99 Concorde 3.2L
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Have you had the TCM scanned for codes? A transmission tech should be able to see if the TCM is doing a 1st gear command and then do an electrical check before the shift solenoids to see if that command is taking place. If the commands are taking place, the transmission probably needs to come apart for inspection to see what failed.
I personally don't know if driving it like that is going to hurt anything, since you had this problem for a year now, because we don't know what actually has failed. It is totally your call if you want your transmission fully functional or not.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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kev2
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Sep 6, 2014, 11:28 AM
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Re: No 1st gear on 99 Concorde 3.2L
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1st thought while its still movable - get a scan especially if the CEL is OFF.
scans are free at autozone advance oriekys parts stores - FREE post ady codes they give.
I will ask - did you check the transmission fluid? AND if you changed or added did you use correct fluid?
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ms6615
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Sep 7, 2014, 9:44 AM
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Re: No 1st gear on 99 Concorde 3.2L
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All I know is the TCM is reporting a general fault to the main computer. Check engine light is on for that and a couple other small faults that aren't issues at all. I'll have to take it in this week to get the specific code checked and see what more they can tell me from that, as I can only access the codes from the main computer without having a scanner.
The fluid isn't great but it's not burnt or black. Normally I would change it, but I wanted to see if I can figure out more specifically what's going on to make sure changing the fluid won't exacerbate the problem.
Are scanners fairly universal? If I bought a used one would I be able to use it with our other vehicles, or are they more manufacturer specific? I use a Chevy express for work and my mom has a Hyundai. I'd expect the foreign car to use something different but would the Chrysler and Chevy be readable with the same scanner? If I end up getting a newer car soon after this one will the scanner work at all? I'm looking into doing more of my own maintenance and if I'd be able to use it with a fair amount of vehicles then I think it might be worth it, but I have no idea where to start with looking for one.
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kev2
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Sep 7, 2014, 10:05 AM
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Re: No 1st gear on 99 Concorde 3.2L
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one thing at a time and that is the trans - just post ALL the codes - any other issues ie no speedometer, A remote starter installed, anything?
transmission codes force the trans into a "limp mode" and that matches some of your problems.
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ms6615
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Sep 7, 2014, 11:45 AM
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Re: No 1st gear on 99 Concorde 3.2L
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I don't remember the exact numbers of the codes.
One was for the next certain number of restarts after the battery is disconnected, reporting incorrectly due to some sensor being out. Another was for an airbag. And the last was just reporting a general transmission fault. As I said, there's no way for me to get any more info without taking it in somewhere this week and having it scanned.
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kev2
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Sep 7, 2014, 12:24 PM
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Re: No 1st gear on 99 Concorde 3.2L
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did you try the key dance trick for getting codes? I am Not sure it will work BUT its easy free?
key on - off - on - off - on - then read odometer
Is there a remote starter on this vehicle?
did you check the fuses and transmission relay in the PDC?
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Discretesignals
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Sep 7, 2014, 3:19 PM
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You can jiggle the key till your blue in the face. You aren't going to get transmission specific codes.
You need to have the TCM scanned. The P0700 being stored in the PCM tells you that the TCM is storing codes for transmission related issues that are more specific. You can't interface the TCM with global OBD readers or flash codes. You need enhanced scan tools or the factory scan tool to get into the TCM. Unless you have big money for those type of scan tools and are working on Chrysler all day long I suggest you take it to a transmission shop.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Sep 7, 2014, 3:23 PM)
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Hammer Time
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Sep 7, 2014, 5:40 PM
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Even the codes that you do get are pretty useless. They are just general descriptions that combine numerous specific "P" codes into one flash code.
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