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E40D transmission filter not seating right
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TheGrinder(ofgears)
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Jul 25, 2019, 12:42 PM
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E40D transmission filter not seating right
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1996 E150 van rear wheel drive only
you can see the orange seal peeking out at the top of the filter housing. I don't think this is right!
i tried pushing it as much as one should probably push. i fear i'll crack the filter housing if i push any harder. the old seal is out. It did take some effort and muscle to get it out, but not nearly as much as i'm applying when trying to push the new one in. is there some trick here? this is a napa part. i already ordered an oem from the local stealership.
I compared the new and the old filter while the new one was still in the NAPA plastic to keep it clean, the filter looked identical from what i could tell, but i didn't bust out a micrometer or anything. in the picture you can see that the orange seal is peaking out of the neck hole a little bit, how far up is the seal supposed to go? i would have thought it would go far enough up that it would be difficult to have it peek over the shoulder like that.
(This post was edited by TheGrinder(ofgears) on Jul 25, 2019, 12:47 PM)
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gsferraro
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Jul 25, 2019, 4:43 PM
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Hello,
use some grease or STP oil treatment and give a good push, where did you get the filter from? does it say Filtran on the filter, also if aftermarket may be a tight fit. Even try moving it side to side while pushing up
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TheGrinder(ofgears)
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Jul 25, 2019, 6:44 PM
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i put some ATF all over it and smeared it in the hole, but i guess that might be on the thin side for what you're talkin? i'm wary of mixing things into the tranny fluid that I was trying to clean in the first place. where can i find out more about this? yes, i tried moving it side to side while pushing up.
can anyone confirm for me that part of the problem is it isn't going deep enough? or is the seal pretty close to the shoulders when installed?
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Hammer Time
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Jul 25, 2019, 7:43 PM
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Gary (gsferraro) is a professional trans builder and owns his own shop so I would suggest you answer his questions and follow his advice.
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We offer help in answering questions, clarifying things or giving advice but we are not a substitute for an on-site inspection by a professional.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jul 25, 2019, 11:15 PM
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Quote ">is this the right STP Oil Treatment? https://www.walmart.com/...l-Additives/16817398 <"
Yes - that stuff just as a lube - a smear of it. Is thick, like honey tends to stay put longer as liquid. White lithium probably not for this, Tom
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TheGrinder(ofgears)
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Jul 26, 2019, 8:22 AM
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should i also smear it around inside the hole or is that gonna be too much?
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TheGrinder(ofgears)
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Jul 26, 2019, 12:39 PM
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I gotta say i'm finding various people warning NOT to use either STP Oil Treatment or lithium grease in a transmission. I realize you have legit credentials and not all of these sources do. I understand this E40D has a clutch disc in it, too, for overdrive or whatnot. does that affect your prognosis?
the warning box on the right warning about chassis lube (white grease) not being miscible with atf: Link deleted ........... not allowed
various internet randos saying STP oil treatment will swell clutches and gaskets and weaken seals:
Link deleted.............. not allowed
my biggest concern is that STP doesn't warrant this product for use in a transmission.
that first link up above and a similar book on manual transmissions recommend petroleum jelly for tranny assembly. is there any drawback to choosing that over the other options?
the only thing i can think of is that i chose neoprene for the the o rings that join the segments of the dipstick tube because it is supposed to be more weather resistant (for the dipstick handle itself i chose nitrile). the way that the dipstick tube segments telescope each other, it seems like gravity will just cause the ATF to drop from one metal tube past the o ring into the next tube without having to make much contact with the o ring. was that an error in judgement? will petroleum jelly be more harmful to neoprene than ATF alone?
(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Jul 26, 2019, 1:04 PM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Jul 26, 2019, 1:20 PM
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It wasn't said but I doubt gsferrero meant submerge the vehicle in this stuff. Use a smear like Chapstick but need to get a whole bottle don't dump that in ATF!
Neoprene is fuel and oil safe is a brand name also just called than. Also should state it on or look up for what purposes.
"O" ring things get ratings too Neoprene, nitrile are oil product resistant some take higher temps.
It's plain rubber you worry about like ordinary "Latex" rubber is used in brake products, rubber gloves if wanted, balloons and those other rubber things you don't use STP on or in for a surprise !! It's BRAKE product rubber (so called) and hydraulic clutch linkages most damaged by a petroleum grease which STP is would be a disaster.
IDK - watch out for the web for quick answer info from unknown, un verified source most of it is. 100% of it is accurate 50% of the time you do the math,
T
(edit out typo)
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Jul 26, 2019, 2:03 PM
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Caution is always a good thing.
Most trannys hold between 12 & 14 qts of fluid. The small amount Gary is talking about isn't going to affect anything, but at the end the day it's your trans and you need to do what you are comfortable with.
Those can go in tight.
1st if you put in a new seal, make sure you got the old one out completely.
On the tight ones, I pretty much do what Gary suggested except I use ATF on everything and while I'm wiggling the filter I will smack it pretty hard with my fist on the filter body directly below the pick up tube that is going into the tranny.
(re-edit) - sorry Sid - Said AFT fixed that, enough is confused :-)
(This post was edited by Tom Greenleaf on Jul 26, 2019, 2:38 PM)
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gsferraro
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Jul 26, 2019, 3:32 PM
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Hello,
It's ok to use STP oil treatment, it is very slippery and the seals go right in. Been using that stuff on a regular basis for 30 plus years, weather I build a stock transmission or a performance transmission, it's ok to use. Gary
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TheGrinder(ofgears)
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Jul 27, 2019, 9:31 AM
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would the petroleum jelly be slippery enough?
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gsferraro
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Jul 27, 2019, 12:00 PM
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sure, that may work, give it a shot
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