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1994 ford F 150 clutch not working properly


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Dan sal
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Oct 15, 2014, 2:39 AM

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1994 ford F 150 xl 4x4 5sp. manual 300 6cyl (4.9)

Just replaced clutch disc , pressure plate, throw-out bearing , slave unit , clutch master cylinder , and cpp switch.-(clutch position pedal switch )-
Symptoms:
Soft pedal... I have bled , and bled. googled and then bled some more. Got slightly better , but still not working properly.
Truck will go into any gear when engine is shut off... When you start engine and disengage clutch ,the clutch engages perfectly , but you can not shift into another gear. I am stumped. If I have to take it all out and do it over? so be it.. But if it can be diagnosed and HOPEFULLY not involve the entire on my dirt driveway process... THAT would be great ! Any ideas or suggestions?


Hammer Time
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Oct 15, 2014, 2:53 AM

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You still don't have it bled completely. These can be very difficult to bleed because the bleeder is at the bottom and the air tends to rise to the top. Sometimes I have found that just continuous pumping will sometimes force the air out the top. Otherwise you may need to use a pressure bleeder.



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Dan sal
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Oct 15, 2014, 2:57 AM

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 Thanks hammer time. What exactly is a pressure bleeder ?


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Oct 15, 2014, 3:58 AM

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It's a tool that forces fluid in from the top so you can open the bleeder at the other end and the fluid will flow freely.



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Dan sal
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Oct 15, 2014, 5:07 AM

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I asked my question wrong ! What I mean is where can I get one. I just bought a kit from V.I.P.-rural maine only so many options- It's a bottle with hose , more designed for brakes but he said it was the same thing. Should my cylinder cap be on or off while I am bleeding.Should I pump while bleeding. I was told to depress the pedal , then loosen the bleeder valve. Then tighten the valve and let the pedal come back up . then repeat the process as many times as needed. Is this correct.


Tom Greenleaf
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Oct 15, 2014, 5:58 AM

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Pressure bleeder is forcing so much fluid fast it defeats gravity of air rising to blow air out a low bleeder like this. Ones I know of clamp on top of the reservoir with no cap on it when in use.


Your set up sounds like just a "one man" bleeder not for this and don't like those at all. Other if tools difficult is to make up a glass bottle with hoses to a vacuum pump but don't think you'll do that easily.


I doubt you can rent the equipment to know this is air free. Is any shop that does brake or clutch work near you at all? Maine is huge and starts at York just an hour from me and ends at the North Pole - I get the idea. It can be a problem for speedy anything or help in some areas or even buying just what you need slow,


T



gsferraro
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Oct 15, 2014, 6:33 AM

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Some of those fords are hard to bleed, i remember taking the entire set up out of a ford and bleeding it on the bench. Did you try reverse bleeding


Dan sal
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Oct 15, 2014, 10:10 AM

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Hey Tom;
Thanks for the feedback. I do have a couple of places near me. Unfortunately this is one of those times where there is too much month left at the end of the money! I am mechanically inclined ,however mostly on machines and stuff like that. The last time I did a clutch was in 1978 , on a ford econoline 1966 van!
Now that I know a bit more about what's going on I can't believe the engineers at ford. I just saw a clip on reverse bleeding and I am going to give that a try.


Dan sal
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Oct 15, 2014, 10:14 AM

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Thanks gsferraro for the input.
I am about to attempt the reverse bleeding. But first, I just gots to have a cup of coffee!


Tom Greenleaf
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Oct 15, 2014, 10:39 AM

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Understood last time wasn't hydraulic and how nice for the bleeder NOT to be on top on this. Gee thanks. There are tricks that don't cost crap but need some stuff on hand.


If you have a pistol type vacuum pump with gauge on it and clear hose you could do it with some imagination just don't let the thing suck in brake fluid used for clutch. Problem is you need to push air DOWN of course so either speed as with a power forced bleeder from master or get creative. At least you know the reason for the trouble for now.


Just whatever you do, DO NOT CONTAMINATE THE FLUID WITH MOISTURE OR AN OIL!


Money short doesn't help - understood. If you know a place to end this fast right away just ask how much as I think you can explain the issue or a working shop would know right what mess you are in.


If you can create something to push clean fluid back up thru that bleeder and tighten it instantly with cap off reservoir that should work but again do NOT involve anything that messes up the fluid,


T



Dan sal
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Oct 17, 2014, 11:39 AM

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Success!!!
I bought a hand held old fashioned oil can that has a trigger on it. Duct taped a tube from the can nozzle to the bleeder valve , filled the can with brake fluid and pumped the fluid in from the bottom , and let the air come out the top. She shifts great , and while I am not even A.B.C. certified I feel like I just got an honorary asme !.
Learned a lot on this job and I want to thank all those who commented and led me in the right direction.


Tom Greenleaf
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Oct 17, 2014, 12:49 PM

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Hmmmmm!!!!!! Great idea but not so fast maybe? If that oil can wasn't clean like you could eat out of and dry any oil left in it will not a maybe ruin the master and slave cylinder and anything oil and brake fluid made of rubber which could be a total disaster.


Dump the master now fast if any oil got in there and bleed out fast all of the fluid possible today - turn the lights on if needed - that scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing to do with brakes or hydraulic clutch rubber parts will tolerate an oil. Get going if that happened and beware of anything strange if you did and do flush it all out right now.


Suck all fluid out of master if you have to do this first and start with pure new brake fluid. Not a joke this could have cost you thousands in parts and wasted time if oil goes thru all that stuff,

T



(This post was edited by Tom Greenleaf on Oct 17, 2014, 12:55 PM)






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