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Creaking noise from RF wheel when driving over uneven surfaces


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kplescia
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Jun 8, 2016, 9:27 PM

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My front passenger wheel began creaking when driving over uneven surfaces after work was done on 12/29/14 to replace the wheel bearing, stud, and nut for the right front. I've been dealing with this noise for 1.5 years, but to my luck, when I take a test drive with a mechanic, it does not reveal itself, so they will not take a detailed look at it and open it up. It is more prominent in cold weather. Pushing down on the front of the car for a strut test does not produce the noise.

I am including a video to hear the noise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJdDR7lCp0k
The creaks can be heard at :18 and :37 after driving over a sewer cover and sewer grate, respectively.

2007 Hyundai Sonata GLS
147000 miles

Thanks for any help you can provide!
-Keith


Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 9, 2016, 1:16 AM

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Couldn't hear anything wrong on the video! If there it wasn't clear. So - if it wont reproduce itself with a live person in car you have also added the weight of another person so car sits in a new spot by a smidge too. Bet you could put something about that weight on the seat and it goes away also.


IDK is the answer of the day. Try this: The front end of most vehicles has at least a lower control arm with rubber bushings inside and a ball joint low near wheel. Those rubber bushings can make noise - squeaky, creaky barn door noises just from shiny metal to rubber you can't see. Some do, some don't make a peep ever? I've had almost 100% luck if that by spraying either WD-40 or a thicker Silicone spray light weight product under assorted brand names now also under the WD-40 brand sells other than that exact product. Noise if from those is usually ones that also don't do it when wet. All the rubber parts that can move, those arms, sway bar bushings and the support rubber - generic to many vehicles could do this usually at some miles and age even if safe it's just shined up just such that it can do that.


Try - nothing to lose but the noise. A real worn something or problem should not totally go away.
Can also be usually plastic or rubber like body parts touching metal - bumper parts, inner fender splash shields or things that move some with flex of car.


Intermittent anything noise wise if it will NOT do it for a tech and nothing is apparently wrong with other checks can be futile to find and be sure it's fixed.


If you try spray lubes of those types you may not know which area was the one culprit if you did them all at once and it goes away.


The body of a car does torque some as weight shifts normally and can be elusive as you are experiencing.


Other: Noise could be transmitted from one side to another and fool you which side is really making the noise. Hard to be sure on any of this in person or other media. Try something that doesn't harm anything,


T



kplescia
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Jun 9, 2016, 6:08 AM

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Thanks for your help. I have a feeling it is something with the ball joint or bushing causing some friction with metal as you indicated. Could this have been damaged when the work was done to replace the wheel bearing? It starting making the noise after the work was done, and it is only from that wheel, which was the one that was worked on.
I tried spraying white lithium grease and also a lubricant from underneath the car to access the inside part of the wheel. I also sprayed underneath around the front suspension. It didn't seem to be effective and likely need to have it opened up to access the bushing or ball joint directly.
The noise occurs with passengers and they have heard it as well, since it can be quite loud at times, usually when it is colder. This also makes me believe it has something to do with friction.
You can't hear the noise at the 18 second and 37 second mark? I can try to provide another video.


Tom Greenleaf
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Jun 9, 2016, 6:20 AM

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Notes: Spray lithium grease may not get as far into some areas as lighter weight stuff but good to finish with that.


Ball joints with no grease fittings you can't grease as under the boot is past where lube is needed. If a joint like that is making noise it can only be replaced IMO. Not greased again. Guess is seal allowed water into any of those that wear out and ends it for them whether a TRE or other joint like them not greasable.
You can try new video but short of a stethoscope on part by part not sure it's going to peg exactly where the noise is, just that it exists,


T



kplescia
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Jun 12, 2016, 8:23 PM

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I brought my car into the dealer to look at a separate issue that was actually for the brake light issue for the seat belt buckle pretensioner. They did a full check of the car, and found the right front upper control arm bushing to be worn, without me even telling them. Can't believe Firestone and Pepboys couldn't find it when I told them both the noise was coming from there.

Could the bushing have been damaged when Firestone replaced the wheel bearing? It is odd that it is the location with the worn bushing and it occurred after they did the work.


Discretesignals
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Jun 12, 2016, 8:36 PM

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Could the bushing have been damaged when Firestone replaced the wheel bearing? It is odd that it is the location with the worn bushing and it occurred after they did the work.


Hard to say without actually seeing the worn part. The front wheel bearings are press in style and will require removing the steering knuckle if they don't have a hub tamer tool. The knuckle is connected to the upper ball joint, but the upper control arms don't need to be removed to remove the knuckles. The bushings in the control arm are rubber and the rubber does get old and brittle with age and use. Maybe the act of lifting the vehicle in the air finished off the worn out bushing which is something that would have been out of the technician's control to prevent from happening.

Have you had the other control arm bushings inspected to be sure they aren't on their way out also?





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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jun 12, 2016, 8:39 PM)


kplescia
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Jun 13, 2016, 5:28 AM

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They did mention having to remove the knuckle at the time. It was hard enough to get them to properly look at this bad bushing, let alone the others. I asked them many times since I've been back and they kept saying they couldn't find anything wrong. How long should these control arm bushings last? I suppose with 125000 miles wear they all could be mostly worn already and they just finished it off with the work






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