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Brakes super spongy, please help :(


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Brqndon
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Aug 23, 2017, 11:33 PM

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Acura TSX 2004 2.4L

I drove the car with no pads on the driver side until the caliper grinded the rotor to the thinnest it can go. (Was waiting for my parts to come in but still needed to go to work).. VSA Light is on now btw?

Parts came in, I replaced the rotor, pads and caliper on the driver side.

I have bled (only the driver side so far) the driver side caliper and have also bled the master cylinder (Bench bled and also bled it when I put it back on the car).. still spongy and goes all the way to the floor...

When I pump the brake pedal brake fluid seeps out of the piston area. Despite me bleeding the caliper and bleeding the master cylinder..

Is it possible that when I was driving with no driver side pads that brake fluid seeped out of the piston also leaving the reservoir to low and almost to a "dry" point allowing AIR in all the brake lines meaning I have to bleed all the other sides as well even if I did not replace anything on them?

So quick mini re-cap..

Drove car with no front driver side brakes, grinded the rotor to dust, replaced entire assembly, bled the caliper, bled the master cylinder out of the car and in.. still have air.. and VSA light is on now.

HELPPPP :,(
Crazy


Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 24, 2017, 12:11 AM

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Please just make one thread for one problem. I'll remove the other.
Couple problems out of the gate is if you do brakes do both the same on an axle not just one side. You said caliper is leaking so that has to be verified really from the piston or not and declare it NO GOOD and get another plus do clean up any mess of brake fluid.


Nothing is going to work till that doesn't leak. You also bleed according to procedures or better to pressure bleed difficult systems - do them all.


Hey - don't go driving this around until you have a good brake pedal! Nothing about brakes is good for OJT (on the job training) it's way too critical to do anything wrong,
T



Brqndon
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Aug 24, 2017, 11:50 AM

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Ok I'll replace the passenger side brakes rotor and calipers as well.

The driver side one I replaced is a brand new caliper..

Maybe since the piston is not being pushed out due to air in the system the fluid as nowhere else to go but out of the piston area??...

Thanks in advance...


Hammer Time
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Aug 24, 2017, 1:29 PM

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Maybe since the piston is not being pushed out due to air in the system the fluid as nowhere else to go but out of the piston area??...


You really need to put the vice grips down and bring this to a professional before you hurt somebody. You have no clue what you are doing and you should be experimenting on a safety item like brakes.



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Brqndon
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Aug 24, 2017, 4:55 PM

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 It's not that I don't know what I'm doing specifically.. I do a lot of different jobs I do a lot of suspension work I do a lot of engine work transmission work a lot of fluid work alignments, alternator, ac compressor, timing belts, etc..I have just personally never run into this kind of problem hence to become a good mechanic is going through a lot of trial and error so that you won't make those mistakes next time... so that you can figure out problems like this faster next time.. how does the mechanic become a mechanic... I'm pretty sure they don't become a mechanic and don't hit any bumps on the road or don't go through any trial and error... it's all part of beoming a good mechanic.... people act as if they are amazing mechanics over night :/...


Brqndon
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Aug 24, 2017, 4:59 PM

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I guess I'll just bleed all lines since I might of ran my MC dry allowing air into all the lines.. instead of just bleeding that one side alone... thanks anyways.. ._.


Hammer Time
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Aug 24, 2017, 5:02 PM

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Repairing brakes IS NOT a trial and error process.

It's very easy to determine from your posts that you have no idea what you are doing and shouldn't be touching these brakes. It could my family that car kills.



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Brqndon
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Aug 24, 2017, 5:22 PM

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I am capibable of checking the master cylinder, brake booster, brakes lines, ABS, Calipers, rotors, pads, fluid etc..

All you can tell me is.. well nothing sir. You just tell me how I don't know what I'm doing and should just give up and take it to a "pro"

I see an ASE on you, why can't you even answer or recommend ONE thing for me to do? You act as if the brake system is so complex? Lold. I was trying to save me self some diagnostic time by coming here and getting recommendations on what it might be, but if I can't seem to get that then I'll just check everything and find out what it is even if it's time consuming.

not cool to just bluntly tell someone "You don't know what your doing, just leave it to the proooos. Wth?.. I'm trying to learn. And a lot if not everything you do in life takes trial and error.. I feel like you have made mistakes, errors etc and now that you don't make them anymore or as much anymore that you are better or something.... we all have to start somewhere.. dang. No hate.. just saying... e_e


Hammer Time
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Aug 24, 2017, 5:45 PM

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You just don't get it. You endanger everyone else on the road by doing this.

No, we NEVER used trial and error to repair someone's brakes. We all worked under the supervision of a professional mechanic when learning. We went to trade schools. Our work was checked and rechecked by professionals before ever leaving the shop.


Better hope it's not your family in that car when those brakes fail at the moment they're needed most.



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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 24, 2017, 9:48 PM

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Brqndon
Brakes are NOT for "trial and error" learning. As Hammer Time (HT) said we (TMK - all of the regulars here) started somehow and somewhere with supervision by a pro to catch fatal mistakes. One you did was doing just one side demonstrates you shouldn't be messing with this at a glance. Why would the other side not do the same thing a day later if one side had a problem the other has been thru the same conditions. That's almost as primal as buying one new shoe for your feet because one failed.


There's a huge difference when doing it wrong can subsequently endanger anything not just you but anything you could smash into because of a preventable failure.


That learning process just starts with the tech schools then you move on and do it and will find out how many more ways the fix can fail. Your problem began with a failure not normal wear out so why that happened should be known then what to fix or replace to solve it next.


The pro checking the work even if you did a DIY fix should be able to know if it was done properly. Arggh - with brakes that about means doing it with you for a first time job is not practical for a one time repair for most people.


Said up top - Brakes are not for "On the Job Training" or trial and error - that error is unacceptable to be out on public roads,


Tom



Hammer Time
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Aug 25, 2017, 5:28 AM

Post #11 of 11 (192 views)
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It isn't even the fact that he did one side. It's statements like this that scare the Hell out of me.




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I have bled (only the driver side so far) the driver side caliper and have also bled the master cylinder (Bench bled and also bled it when I put it back on the car).. still spongy and goes all the way to the floor...

When I pump the brake pedal brake fluid seeps out of the piston area. Despite me bleeding the caliper and bleeding the master cylinder..

Is it possible that when I was driving with no driver side pads that brake fluid seeped out of the piston




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Maybe since the piston is not being pushed out due to air in the system the fluid as nowhere else to go but out of the piston area??...



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why can't you even answer or recommend ONE thing for me to do? You act as if the brake system is so complex? Lold.




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