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DIYfrvr
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Aug 1, 2012, 6:01 AM
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Axle/CV joint or bearing noise? Video inside. 01 Maxima
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0N-d...ature=youtu.be
This is a 2001 Maxima - FWD - Dont think it has LSD - passenger side
I have jacked up just the passenger side and put the car in neutral
0-18 seconds, I am spinning it forward - squeaking noise
18-38 seconds, I am spinning it backward - grinding (?) noise
38-45 seconds, I am spinning it forward again - squeaking noise
I believe the noise gets louder as I place the camera closer to the transmission - so I feel that its not the bearing but is inner CV joint or axle or other component.
No rips that I can make out or grease leaks in CV joints that I can see. The driver side wheel does not make the same noise.
The noise goes away after driving for 0.5 miles or even less. Till then the squealing noise is present (rotational), including while going straight or left or right. The squealing frequency does increase with speed but is hard to notice past ~35 mph
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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 1, 2012, 6:45 AM
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Perhaps just me but couldn't make the YouTube work. No matter, without a load and describing this as squeaking and grinding by hand suggests IMO more likely to be bearing or brake issues and also check the any backing plate isn't rubbing moving rotor or anything turning with that wheel,
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DIYfrvr
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Aug 1, 2012, 6:53 AM
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Thanks for the quick help
Hopeful this link will work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0N-d8RcsKw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As for brake/rotor - I have removed caliper and rotor off the car. So I think this is either bearing or something behind it.
The reason I wanted to ask for some opinions is because there is no play in the bearing and the noise sounds like its coming much closer to transmission? I hope the video works so you can see what I mean
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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 1, 2012, 7:18 AM
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This is what your YouTube shows for me...........
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Noises are tough when right there sometimes never mind by any media available. Maybe using a stethoscope made for automotive noises could help target the area. Guessing you have the wheel back on to turn it without the brake rotor or caliper but still make sure even the wheel or tire isn't involved rubbing anything?
Bearing itself can fail or make noise in assorted ways but most common is more noise and faster with vehicle speed and pronounced when turning which is shifting weight. Not so common to me for CV joints to squeel and those are usually exaserbated by load or load while turning,
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DIYfrvr
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Aug 1, 2012, 7:33 AM
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Noises are tough when right there sometimes never mind by any media available. Maybe using a stethoscope made for automotive noises could help target the area. Guessing you have the wheel back on to turn it without the brake rotor or caliper but still make sure even the wheel or tire isn't involved rubbing anything?
Bearing itself can fail or make noise in assorted ways but most common is more noise and faster with vehicle speed and pronounced when turning which is shifting weight. Not so common to me for CV joints to squeel and those are usually exaserbated by load or load while turning,
T
Thanks for the continued help. I didnt put the tire back on. Everything is off that is in front of hub - tire, rotor, caliper, caliper bracket, etc. I am turning it with the hub directly. Its not that hard perhaps because I have it in neutral and only passenger wheel is jacked up.
I checked it out with an automotive stethoscope and here are my findings...
1. When I touch the stethoscope needle to the wheel bearing area, I dont hear anything.
2. When I touch it to the inner CV joint (?), I cannot diagnose because it is picking up the needle scraping on the rotating axle/boot
I will look into replacing the bearing. Unfortunately, the bearing and hub arent sold pre-assembled for this car - 2001 Maxima. So I need to figure out where I can get the new bearing pressed into a new hub (one of the wheel studs is broken in this hub thanks to a mechanic over tightening it).
Another link :S (Admittedly, this is my first time posting a video to youtube so maybe I forgot to make it public or something...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0N-d8RcsKw
(This post was edited by Diyfrvr on Aug 1, 2012, 7:34 AM)
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Aug 1, 2012, 8:06 AM
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That showed this time. So hard to say. I doubt you are hearing wheel bearing or a CV joint but can't know. Inside CV boot looks something like this...........
There isn't a rolling bearing in there. It is a fancy "U" Joint if you will and when/if those balls or the area they slide get "galled" - "pocked" none have sqeeked on me and none if straight ahead as they aren't doing much then.
Seems like a light squeed to me as in sheet metal more than bearing and unsure of anything with this. Chance that it's inside trans! Hope not. Even then I would think it would be dulled some from outside like your test and such a slow speed.
I'm digging for clues like Sherlock Holmes. Why was the wheel removed and stud broken but not clean off which would be more likely? That and did this noise show up right away after that?
Not a lot of certainty from me. I'd try again with the stethoscope but put probe on the housing where shaft goes into inside and again to outside on closest metal that doesn't move.
Descriptions of noise will be interpreted differently. I'll say that sounds like a metal fingernail on a chaulk board type noise??
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DIYfrvr
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Aug 1, 2012, 8:30 AM
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Good to know what the inside of a CV joint looks like. Good idea regarding putting stethescope to nearest solid metal contact - will do that.
As for the stud breaking off - it happened more than a year ago. The noise is more recent (few weeks? not sure). The stud broke off when I was getting new tires put back on the car. The mechanic came back and said, the person who tightened it before him must have over torqued it so it broke off right where the lug attaches to it. Hope that clarifies it.
Couldn't agree more regarding description of noise. Thats why I decided to put a video. Reminds me of the AAMCO ads...
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DIYfrvr
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Aug 1, 2012, 8:57 AM
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How about this for debugging further, I take off the steering knuckle. This should free up the axle to rotate idependent of the bearing/hub assembly and vice versa.
Once I have them decoupled(?), I could spin the axle by itself and then the bearing as well (assuming this is possible). This should tell me if its the bearing or axle/transmission/CV joint etc. I understand there could be some squeaking cause by ball joint or suspension or tie rod end joint? I hope to check it upon disconnecting each component from the kunckle.
Oh also, forgot to mention, the ABS light is on - which I'm reading online could be indicative of a bad hub.
Thoughts?
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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 1, 2012, 9:42 AM
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OK. ABS? Get a good look at right where wires are going as they are sensing rotation from star wheel (likely) mounted on the 1/2 shaft itself. If, repeat if that is all loose somehow it would trigger ABS light and possibly the noise - voila if so. If debris is in that gap of some strange thing it might come out.
Would be great if all else isn't clear to spin bearing without the shaft at all as you mentioned. Whole used assembly (think bearing is separate and pressed in) should spin free, silent and coast with no freeplay in any manor. A new one will be sticky just till used a bit and not likely to coast and can't say that for sure but would expect it to. Retired but still get my hands dirty now and then. Had one so slight wasn't sure until it was in my hands. Note that the noises can travel fooling you as to the actual source. That's when if separate you can peg it or rule out things.
Still VERY interested in the ABS items, how and what with that. It might and sorry I don't know exactly how the shaft's part for ABS is installed or what could happen there but it's now of peak interest with the news,
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DIYfrvr
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Aug 1, 2012, 9:52 AM
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I believe the ABS sensor is just held in place with one bolt, I will first check as you have suggested and if that is not conclusive, I will disconnect the abs sensor and see if that removes the noise.
There is a ring on the hub assembly which is called the ABS ring I believe. Sadly, most new hubs that I have seen dont come with the ABS ring so I have to reuse I believe.
http://images.gasgoo.com/...to-part-abs-ring.jpg
http://www.am-autoimages.com/...M-405076795/main.JPG
Anyway, before I get ahead of myself, will start with the abs sensor first to see if that takes care of the problem. Failing that, I will see if I can disconnect the steering knuckle to debug further.
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DIYfrvr
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Aug 1, 2012, 10:17 AM
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Could a mod please move this thread to the "Engine and Car Noises" section.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 1, 2012, 10:45 AM
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I could move it but it wont help a bit as regulars will read everything. My view of moving it to where is not showing the current name of that section of which there are too many of IMO. Trust me, it's fine where it is.
If another can it will just show up elsewhere for you but don't want to get it lost in space. It's being read and you should see how many hits your thread has had which will change by the moment.
Still interested in ABS parts at the drive axle AKA half shaft right now,
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Aug 6, 2012, 7:56 AM
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Update
It is definitely not wheel bearing. I pushed out the bearing from the axle, and the bearing spins freely without noise. I can replicate the noise while spinning the axle so its definitely not wheel bearing. This is on the passenger side so I am guessing it is one of the CV joints or the support/carrier bearing. Since most everyone that has seen the video thinks its a bearing issue, I am leaning towards the support/carrier bearing being the problem.
Question
Q1) I am not able to figure out if the support/carrier bearing is part of the axle or if I need to order that seperately. I am referring to part number 39774 which is supported by the bracket 39781. Full link to the parts page deleted
Q2) I am reading that axle brands are fairly important. Are there any particular brands to stay away from? Advance auto house brand ok?
Q3) The threads on the axle (where the axle nut goes) are beat up from me trying to pull it out of the hub/bearing assembly. Just a side question: Can I replace that metal part only without replacing full axle (my issue is deeper in) but I am just curious.
Q4) I damaged the rubber cover on the outer tie rod end. Can I just replace the boot? Do I need a grease gun or other special equipment or is this easy to do?
Q5) When I spin the axle (still attached on the transmission side, it doesnt make the noise after the front end of car has been on jack stands for 3+ days now. I wonder if not having a load on it would cause it to not make noise. This happened in the past as well, I had the car up on jack stands, put it back down and had no noise for a few a days. Came back after day 2. Does this help diagnose?
Lessons learnt
Dont use pickle fork tool from advance auto parts for removing tie rod end; use the clamp type tool. The pickle fork type tool will most likely damage the rubber boot on the tie rod end.
Axle comes out of wheel bearing after you disconnect tie rod end and strut support bolts, no need to disconnect ball joint (I didnt, luckily). This varies between cars so YMMV
Both sides of the car should be jacked up, otherwise the strut bolts will be a complete pain to remove (this is due to some bar connecting both sides - not sure).
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(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Aug 6, 2012, 9:04 AM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Aug 6, 2012, 9:37 AM
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I see the bearing inside differential side and no specific details on replacing that. Noise went away for two day you said?! That's not consistent with a bearing but more like something rubbing perhaps inside out of sight. More is turning in there so could be even more involved. This is not part of a standard CV axle replacement which generic pic would look like this.......
Guys - anyone have deeper software for inside diff troubles and replacement procedures - I don't,
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Just a note on parts: Buy where you want but beware. Bargains are frequently NOT the bargain. Local vs internet known for bargains but what if part is wrong. For a whole axle shaft that you'll probably do they will want the old one back (core deposit) or exchange at purchase. If so, match it up real good before an original part that worked once is known replaced. Probably not so much with this car but have had to go - RUN to find a core when some minute detail was wrong - arggh.
Reman anything can be a scary venture especially when something involves bearings!
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Aug 17, 2012, 5:09 AM
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UPDATE: It was the carrier/support bearing in the axle. It was a total pain to seperate it from the carrier bracket so ended up taking out the bracket altogether with the axle and hammering it out outside the car. New axle has been in for a few days now and no noises.
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