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Willsdodge
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1996 Dodge Intrepid, V6, I believe its a 3.2 or 3.7 ltr. (not exactly sure if that makes a difference, but if it does I can find out, sorry). 52183 miles(original).
I first want to say I am a struggling single father and I really want to diagnose and fix this problem before it becomes more of an issue, please help! I know something is seriously wrong. The car does start, but I am trying to prevent anything further from happening, or getting ripped off by a garage. I know very little about automotive repair, grew up in a single parent house without a father to teach me these things... soooo, now that I have sufficiently played on your compassion, lol, heres my problem...
Ok, the car does start, however you know how when you start the car and it is in park but running, if you accidentally turn the key forward while the car is running you get that loud scratching noise, like sometimes if you don't realize you have already started the car and then you turn the key while its running, it makes that loud scratching noise.(the best way I can describe it). Well, the car has started doing that when you start it initially without turning the key too far. So I get into my car, turn the key, and I get that same loud scratching noise that the car would normally make only if the key was turned too far while it is running and in park. At first it would just do it for a short second or less and start, but this started yesterday and now it seems that the scratching noise goes on for a little longer when the car starts. Like I said, the car does start, but I am afraid one of these morning I am going to wake up get my daughter in the car to drive her to school and it's not going to start :(
Is this an engine problem, a starter problem, ignition problem? Something else entirely? What am I looking at for repair costs?
Please help! I have tried to be as descriptive as possible, but if anymore info is needed I will try and supply it as best I can. The main thing I am trying to do is diagnose this problem and figure out what it is and what its going to cost to fix before the problem becomes worse. I NEED my car as I am in a very difficult position and it would devastate me if this was a major problem or I needed a new car, but it is what it is so please don't sugar-coat, I need to know how bad this is.
Thanks in advance,
Will
Edit: wanted to add that the car starts FIRST, however while it is starting thats when the loud scratching noise happens. At first I thought maybe I was just turning the key too violently, but it does this now EVERY time I start it. Thanks!
(This post was edited by Willsdodge on Dec 6, 2011, 2:56 AM)
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Hammer Time
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Sounds like it may have a bad starter. Continued use will lead to a damaged flywheel and the transmission has to be removed to resolve that if it happens.
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Dec 6, 2011, 11:48 AM
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If it's grinding everytime you start it, then everytime you turn the key, you are doing more damage......
What may be an easy repair today could very easily be a very expensive repair on Saturday....
I know you gotta do what you gotta do........But just be aware of whats going on everytime you turn the key....
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Dec 6, 2011, 8:33 PM
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Thanks for the responses so far. So I took the car over to my uncles, and he said that it was definitely either the starter or the flywheel. Now the starter for a 96 Dodge Intrepid I found would be anywhere between $60-$80. Plus labor, I guess I'm looking at around a $200-$250 job. I can handle that.
But if its the flywheel, that could run into some money. Not sure how much.
Now so you are saying that every time I start the car I could be damaging the flywheel as well, so it would be best to take it somewhere tomorrow?
I'm just concerned that the garage will try to tell me its a flywheel when its really just a starter. Is there anyway to know for sure which it is? Is there a chance that BOTH would need to be replaced?
I canot afford anymore that $300, so I guess I was wondering, as I said, is there any way to positively identify whether it is the starter only or the flywheel, or both? I have never even hear of a flywheel :(
Thanks again all,
Will
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Flywheels get ruined from attempting to start the car with a bad starter. Every time you engage the starter you do a little more damage to the flywheel so at this point you likely do need both. Installing a new starter with a bad flywheel will just ruin the new starter too.
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Without being able to look at it, I'm assuming the most likely scenario for the noise and that would be the starter gear staying engaged with ring gear (flywheel....actually it's a flexplate but lets not confuse things).
That being the case everytime you start it, it's doing more damage to the ring gear...
The only way to assess the damage would be to remove the starter and inspect the ring gear (flexplate). The fact that you said in your 1st post that the noise is lasting longer now isn't a good sign....
I would really want to get a handle on this as soon as possible if I was you.....
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oops..........looks like you beat me to it.....
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So, taking into account the transmission would have to be taken out to replace the flywheel, if starter and flywheel need to be replaced what am I looking at? Near $1000, or less than that?
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That just totally depends on who does it and what their hourly rate is. Since you're not sure what engine you have, I'm not sure what the prices are but for the 3.3 the flywheel is a little over $50 and the labor is 4.2 hours.
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Yes it is the 3.3 ltr..
So labor at the garage I called is $85/hr. Multiply that by 4.2~$360. Plus the part, total of about $420. Rounding up in case it takes a little more time, I am looking at between $450-$475. Damn!!!!!! And that's if it's JUST the flywheel..
If the starter and flywheel BOTH need to be replaced, I am looking at the extra money for the other part(starter), and more labor time correct? If thats the case, it'll probably bring it to $650-$700 or more! Does that sound about accurate?
Well there goes my daughters Xmas presents. *sigh* It's so hard because kids just dont understand grown-up bills and responsibilities, shes only 4 :(
Since the car is a 96, I don't really like putting all that money into it. But it runs beautifully otherwise, very smooth, tranny shifts GREAT, NO engine noises, it doesn't use oil, it's decent on gas, got brand new tires and brand new battery(expensive battery not a cheap one), and heater/ac work great! Also it only has slightly over 50k original miles, (I bought it from an elderly man who only used it to drive to church and back).
Sh!t man, uugghhh!!
Well I am taking it to a garage tomorrow, wish me luck all!!
******Also, does anyone know of any sites to find local garages around your area which are reputable, have been reviewed, and are for the most part reliable, non-rip-off artists lol?? Theres gotta be SOME site to look on??!!?
Thank you again all, the info has been MUCH, MUCH appreciated.
Will
xxxxxx HAPPY HOLIDAYS ALL!!!!!! xxxxxxxxxx
(This post was edited by Willsdodge on Dec 8, 2011, 1:16 AM)
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The starter would have to come out to do the flywheel so there wouldn't be any extra labor there but it's still starting so lets not get ahead of ourselves....
Take it to the shop see what they say......If they R&R the starter to inspect the ring gear, try to take some pictures you can post if the ring gear is deemed unusable & we'll go from there.
ase.com, iatn.net all have shop locaters on them.....You can check out the Better Business Bureau, talk to friends relatives, all the usual suspects and go from there...
Good luck...
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If you find a damaged flywheel on that car, then there is no question it will also need a starter. That's what caused the flywheel damage in the first place.
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