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gunar1989
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Dec 6, 2015, 8:01 PM

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I have an 82 Ford Ltd crown Vic with a 5.0 302ci v8 I believe it has 163,000 miles but the odo doesn't have a hundredth place. It has a water leak in the timing cover. The work requires the motor to be unmounted because the oil pan can't be removed otherwise. I have a one piece oil pan gasket, timing cover and gasket kit that includes front main seal, and the water pump. I also want the timing chain replaced and most likely the rear main seal. I would like a quote on how much the labor would most likely be on said project. Thanks


Tom Greenleaf
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Dec 6, 2015, 10:30 PM

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? I should know but there still could be two different types. I suggest match at a brick and mortar outlet with VIN#, cover, pump and gasket set (hoses and more as you wish.) The OE oil pan shouldn't need to come out or off unless you need to. New gasket will be a partial rubber one for front and dabs of silicone gasket sealer at ends. Think hard if this is worth a dang to do timing chain (cheap and easy while there) too. You'll know miles are under 200K if cam gear you'll see anyway has nylon teeth, replacement will not or don't get that type again. The OE nylon almost certainly would not make 300K or the age of it. If in pieces now when there get as much out as you can out of the pan,


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Dec 7, 2015, 3:11 AM

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The flat rate time for the cover only is 4 hours. The time for the chain only is also 4 hours. If you are changing both there would be about an hour extra so I would say about 5 hours total. I really don't think the oil pan as to come off. The timing gasket set should come with a partial piece of the pan gasket if necessary.



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Dec 7, 2015, 4:25 AM

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As HT confirmed oil pan doesn't come off you clean off if OE or remove old rubber section if there now. 4 extra hours doesn't add up for timing chain as that suggests you aren't already right there looking right at it then pretty easy and fast.
* Hard part - pins in blocks or stubs line up covers to block and must line up by pushing down on cover against the new bottom gasket. If you tightened it up not in line it would wreck the new cover!


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Dec 7, 2015, 4:38 AM

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I didn't say it was 4 hours extra. I said it was 4 hours for either operation but doing both should be about 5 hours. That would be the 4 hours for the chain replacement plus an extra hour for swapping the water pump and any other external items to a new cover.



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Dec 7, 2015, 5:16 AM

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Understand. Was and think at the age and somewhat unknown miles that the timing cover must have already been off and worried more what a pest lining up those pegs (there's a name for those?) and squish it on hard, worked maybe now a failure from older work.
Water pumps later were either aluminum or cast iron either timely for removing gaskets or gouging up timing covers too much.
I think Ford was smoking something with the 80 - about 87 5.0 engines with front of engine parts including A/C, water pumps and all the brackets that make it all fit for really no reason I can think of as they were total dogs, super poor power new but wouldn't say horrible for lasting and putting up with abuse which was simply using A/C for some of those!


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Dec 7, 2015, 7:10 AM

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One thing to remember here is the issue is going pitting in the aluminum housing so just replacing the gasket isn't going to do the trick. You are likely going to need a new manifold which may not be the easiest thing to find.



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Dec 7, 2015, 8:52 AM

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May have a mix up here. Timing cover doesn't/shouldn't involve intake manifold at all. What body is this car? Crown Vic was (I thought) reserved for the full size chassis car or wagon and another was a unit body with a couple engines offered but not a V8 TMK called and LTD.


Lost as 5.0 timing covers shouldn't touch anything that isn't cast iron and doesn't involve the intake manifold however anything pitted a choice has to be made on approach on anything if the reason for a failure,
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(IDK if a pic of cover helps? .............

Probably wrong one anyway and can't know?



(This post was edited by Tom Greenleaf on Dec 7, 2015, 8:59 AM)


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Dec 7, 2015, 8:55 AM

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I've seen a lot of these through the years. The cover pits and corrodes at the water ports and will have to be replaced.



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Dec 7, 2015, 9:16 AM

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I'm just curious now as this almost can't happen to any I've known?
Pic - Front of engine all cast iron............


The cover shown on the engine.............

No intake involves and missing in that pic.


Where am I going wrong? One issue is absolutely none of these are around, early ones pawned off as rentals only a model or two earlier than 82 and were not the same TMK at all some with a "VV" carb that didn't work out so well,


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Dec 7, 2015, 9:46 AM

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The two round circles in the middle picture are water ports to the water pump and the coolant corrodes the sealing .surface away. I'm sure that is what is leaking on his. The manifold is aluminum.



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Dec 7, 2015, 10:27 AM

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I give as I can't know. None of these lasted long enough plain body/frame issues for engines to be the problem just accessories on them.
Pitted anything would really worry me and true gasket isn't going to fix that and not sure faking it with sealers would last for crap either.
Have to leave this with info here now to the OP's observations when there and if there where else that you don't know?
I've also never needed a new timing cover for any and think if it did something broke over some other work?
Yet another I just can't know so OP do pay attention,


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