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1999 Mercury Mystique wont start, possibly starter?


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jimi646260
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Sep 22, 2012, 11:37 AM

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I have a 1999 Mercury Mystique V6 and out of no where my car wouldnt start, no clicking sound what so ever my radio and lights come on fine, and I have a brand new battery only a few months old, I tried to jump it and I had plenty of power just wont turn over. I have recently replaced my neutral safety switch due to jerking issues which came back before my car stopped starting. Could these two issues be related? A co worker attempted to jump start my starter with a hammer and it makes the sound it should but when I put the key in the ignition and crank it, it still wont make the clicking sound could my solenoid be bad? FYI The check engine error codes coming up before the car stopped starting were:1131 1151 0708


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Sep 22, 2012, 12:56 PM

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jump start my starter with a hammer


Do you mean your co worker attempted to tap on the starter motor while you were attempting to crank the engine?

You need to make sure you have power to the starter solenoid when the ignition is turned to start when the engine doesn't want to crank.

If you have power to the starter solenoid, you should remove the starter and have it bench tested.





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jimi646260
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Sep 22, 2012, 1:19 PM

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Yes that's what he did, how do I test if I have power to the starter solenoid? I was reading in my book for the car that you should connect a fused jumper lead between the battery (+) and the ignition switch terminal (small terminal) on the solenoid, but I have no idea how to do that its a little confusing. Thanks for your reply!


Tom Greenleaf
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Sep 22, 2012, 1:48 PM

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Just a test light that it lights and now I think it will by description. The tapping with a hammer is usually because brushes don't make a good contact but if no sound at all could be connection of little trigger wire or the solenoid plunger.

If you can target the trigger wire well at wire and at the stud (I think) it connects to see if the current goes to there but doesn't make it to solenoid at that time. If it does and no response, noise or anything decide on having that starter tested and it might behave or just replace it. All those wiring connections need to be known good or exact blame on starter assy could be confused,

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jimi646260
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Sep 22, 2012, 3:03 PM

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Well I've attempted to get the starter out and have come out with only half of the starter unfortunately, the engine is so tight I'm having difficulty getting all of it out without taking apart all these hose that I'm not sure what they go to.......geez the starter is really hard to get to some walkthroughs said it was easy to get from the top and other said to go from the bottom, I went with the top since I did not have any jackstands for my car.


Tom Greenleaf
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Sep 22, 2012, 7:13 PM

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Sport - Did you test anything or just begin to rip it out of there? Which engine? Some are hell. Did it get power to trigger wire? You shouldn't be with it part out and battery neg still connected to do squat right now so put it back in place and test what you can.
Below if it shows are procedures for both possible engines and may not show up well in your view...........

condition of your starter.
REMOVAL & INSTALLATION


2.0L Engine

See Figures 3 and 4



Fig. Fig. 3: Remove the three starter mounting bolts



Fig. Fig. 4: Carefully lower the starter out of the vehicle
  1. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  2. Remove air intake resonators.
  3. Remove starter motor upper mounting bolts.
  4. Raise and support the vehicle.
  5. Remove the nuts on the starter terminals and remove the cables from the terminals.
  6. Remove the two starter lower retaining bolts and remove the starter.


To install:
  1. Place the starter into position and tighten the 2 lower retaining bolts to 15-20 ft. lbs (20-27 Nm).
  2. Place the starter cables onto the terminals and tighten the retaining nuts to 80-124 inch lbs. (5-7 Nm).
  3. Lower the vehicle.
  4. Install and tighten the upper retaining bolt to 15-20 ft. lbs (20-27 Nm).
  5. Install the air intake resonators.
  6. Connect the negative battery cable.


2.5L Engine

See Figure 5



Fig. Fig. 5: Starter mounting-2.5L engine
  1. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  2. Remove the engine air cleaner assembly.
  3. Remove the fuel feed and return lines from the support bracket located on the accelerator cable bracket, and remove the fuel line bracket.
  4. On vehicles equipped with a automatic transaxle, remove the gear selector and the gear shift cable bracket from the transaxle.
  5. Remove the air cleaner support bracket from the engine and transaxle mount.
  6. Remove the nuts on the starter terminals and remove the cables from the terminals.
  7. Remove the starter motor-to-transaxle case retaining bolt at the rear of the starter.
  8. Remove the two starter retaining bolts and carefully lift the starter from the transaxle case while disengaging the alignment pins.


To install:
  1. Position the starter onto the alignment pins and onto the transaxle case.
  2. Install the two starter retaining bolts and the rear retaining bolt and tighten them to 15-21 ft. lbs. (21-29 Nm).
  3. Place the starter cables onto the terminals and tighten the retaining nuts to 80-124 inch lbs. (5-7 Nm).
  4. Install the air cleaner support bracket.
  5. If removed, install the gear shift selector and bracket.
  6. Install the fuel line bracket and install the fuel lines in the bracket.
  7. Install the air cleaner assembly.
  8. Connect the negative battery cable.

******************************************************* So - do you want to test it or take the whole car apart? Those procedures don't factor in things that break in the attempt, T
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Sep 22, 2012, 7:46 PM

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The top is the only way I've ever been able to go on that engine and there is no way to make it any easier. Its a pain in the ass no matter who you are. Welcome to our world. We get to have this kind of fun every day.


jimi646260
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Sep 22, 2012, 8:59 PM

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I guess I was just pretty sure I wanted to bring it to Advanced Auto and get it tested, just didn't realize it was that difficult. We followed directions straight from the book specifically for my car so I felt safe to move forward. We did disconnect the neg battery cable now were stuck on this step: Remove the fuel feed and return lines from the support bracket located on the accelerator cable bracket, and remove the fuel line bracket. We pulled off the clips securing the tubes but they wont separate I pull pull and pull nothing the tubes wont seperate can i put WD-40 or something I don't understand why it wont. If I don't get these tubes out of the way I cant get to the bolts on the back part of starter.


(This post was edited by jimi646260 on Sep 22, 2012, 9:07 PM)


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Sep 22, 2012, 10:50 PM

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Leave the fuel lines alone. They don't need to be touched and only invite more trouble. Tom posted a pic showing where the bolts are for this. Problem is the positive cable. It has a plate going to the starter terminals and the wire goes further across the motor. You have barely any slack to get to remove the wiring from the terminals, and thats what is going to stop you from getting it out. I drink an 18 pack of beer and watch Hulk a few times through for inspiration prior to popping the hood. Its no coincidence that all Ford techs refer to your car as the Mistake and not Mystique. Its the sister car to the Contour and I don't dare post what we call that here so if you want to know PM me.




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