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1994 Nissan Quest, won't start. Suspect : "Ignition"!


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pasco
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Sep 20, 2009, 6:19 PM

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Hi! Any help or views are welcome! Thanks in advance!

I have a Nissan Quest GXE, 1994, with 180k miles.

It won't start. I turn key to ON, all the lights on the dashboard light up normally, battery is full ( check is at about 13 Volts, just bought it a month ago), but when i switch to start, i get nothing!
Lights don't dim, i don't get a clinking sound and the engine doesn't crank. I tried to short the two poles of the solenoid, and the starter spin, so i believe its not the problem(i also changed the starter recently cause my previous one broke).

That leaves me with thinking that the problem lies somewhere between the key and the solenoid, with my suspicions being focused on the ignition switch ( i read a few troublshooting guides online and thats where i draw my suspicions from). The car did the same thing about 10 days ago, but after 3 hours it worked perfectly well, until ...now. Its already been a couple of days and it doesn't seem like its going back to working by itself now!

Help. Do i need to replace the ignition switch? How do i make sure its the cause of the problem?

Thank you !


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Sep 20, 2009, 6:28 PM

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You could be right but nobody is going to know the answer until you test the output wire at the ignition switch. It could just as easily be the neutral safety switch if it's an auto or the clutch switch in a manual.




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pasco
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Sep 20, 2009, 6:48 PM

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Thanks for the answer! its an automatic. But how do i check the output of the ignition switch on my own?


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Sep 20, 2009, 7:15 PM

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You'll have to use a test light on a red wire coming out of the ignition switch in the "start" position.
You also want to check a 10amp fuse marked "Z" which feeds the neutral switch on a lt green wire that powers the inhibitor relay.




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pasco
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Sep 21, 2009, 2:31 PM

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Do i need to disassemble the steering column to get to the ignition switch?


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Sep 21, 2009, 2:49 PM

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You will have to remove the plastic cover around the steering column.




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pasco
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Sep 21, 2009, 6:58 PM

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I actually removed it and i managed to get to the lock cylinder and remove it (and put it back after making sure that its clean and ok), but i dont really know where to look for the ignition switch! There is a white plastic thing that could be it, but it doesnt seem like i can work on it without taking the steering wheel out of the way... any pics or manual links that could help me out?
Thank you very much for your help so far!


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Sep 21, 2009, 7:15 PM

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That's going to be a tough one if you actually have to change it but you should be able to access the wires for testing.

Here are the replacement instgructions









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pasco
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Sep 24, 2009, 7:07 PM

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Thank you Soooo Much!

i haven't tried it, but i will surely give it a try!


pasco
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Sep 25, 2009, 6:06 PM

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ok, the red cable coming out of the ignition switch doesn't give me any light. THe white and red does, so i suppose that means the ignition switch is busted. Where do i look for the fuse for neutral switch? Just to make sure. And how do i check if that is working or not?
Thanks


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Sep 25, 2009, 7:09 PM

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If your not getting anything out of the ignition switch, then don't worry about the neutral switch. the ignition will be the problem. Just make sure your testing that while holding the key in "start" position.




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pasco
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Sep 26, 2009, 2:09 PM

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OK! My bad. I didn't realize that i should have turn the key to the START... I did and the test light flashed nicely on the red cable. I guess that means it's NOT the ignition switch. Which i found to be kind of a relief.

So now where do i look for the 10Amp fuse that you mentioned? and how do i check if its busted or not?

Thanks once more for the invaluable help


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Sep 26, 2009, 3:02 PM

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OK, we're going to test at the neutral switch now.

You need to test for "key on" power on the light green wire. If you have power there, test for power on the Lt green with black wire with "key on and in park". If you have no power coming in on the Lt green, then the fuse is blown.

The neutral switch is mounted on the top of the transmission where the shift linkage attaches.










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pasco
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Sep 26, 2009, 4:55 PM

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OK here's the thing. i cant find a lt green wire. There is a white with lt green stripe(1) and lt green with black stripe(2). but no entirely green wire at all. Anyways

On (1) I got light on my test light on ON key pos.

On (2) I got very dim test light on ON and no light at all on START key pos.

Does that help?


pasco
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Sep 26, 2009, 5:17 PM

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wait...you were talking about cables coming out of the ignition switch , like the red one , right?


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Sep 26, 2009, 5:31 PM

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No, these wires are at the neutral safety switch at the transmission under the hood. It's called an inhibitor switch




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(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Sep 26, 2009, 5:32 PM)


pasco
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Sep 26, 2009, 5:49 PM

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any ideas on how i recognize this switch?


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Sep 26, 2009, 6:04 PM

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I told you. It's at the shifting lever where the cable attaches.






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pasco
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Sep 26, 2009, 6:33 PM

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:):)

i'm totally new to this so please bear with my ignorance :):)

I am trying to find the transmission ....
total newbie i know i know...! :)


pasco
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Sep 26, 2009, 7:54 PM

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ok, did you mean the cables that are on the top of the steering wheel , kind of at the side of the transmission lever??

i did find a green cable there, and as i was messing with it with the switch light, i turned the key to start, and the engine started like nothing was wrong?!?!?

i am wondering whether i accidentally touched something bringing it back to its right place or something.....anyways.

I am not sure its fixed, cause it doesn't make sense, hopefully i wont be bothering you. I also noticed that there is some strange smoke coming out of the engine that got worse during the 5 minute that i left the engine on idle. Is that something i have to worry about , or just some "bad" oil being burned from the car being immobile for 2 weeks?


speed
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Sep 26, 2009, 11:04 PM

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if you could describe the color of the smoke ie. blue white grey or others where the smoke seems to be coming from and maby describe the smell of it that would make it easier becuase engines have a number of things that can cuase smoke oil burning coolant burning maby a slight short and electrical fire too. so please try to describe better.





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timebandit
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Oct 19, 2011, 2:49 AM

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I recently had the same exact problem with my 1994 Nissan 192000 mi. everything is working fine except that it won't start after the car heats up. Then after the car cools it magically starts.
Hammer Time you where on the right track with the neutural safty swith. It needs to be replaced. It is located behind the automatic transmission dipstick near the top front side of the transmission.
To check the neutural switch when the car won't start it's Hammer Time. Take a small ballpean hammer and have someone try to start the engine as you tap lightly (just a few taps should do) with the round end of the hammer. When it starts you have 2 choices try to clean and fix the old neutural switch or replace it. Remember when Sh!t get old and crusty it's HAMMER TIME!


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Oct 19, 2011, 6:17 AM

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To check the neutural switch when the car won't start it's Hammer Time. Take a small ballpean hammer and have someone try to start the engine as you tap lightly (just a few taps should do) with the round end of the hammer. When it starts you have 2 choices try to clean and fix the old neutural switch or replace it. Remember when Sh!t get old and crusty it's HAMMER TIME!


Yeah right........ Get real

plastic switch....ball peen hammer........... I don't think so

This is your first post under that user name but I suspect we have already met.




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