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06 Lucerne starts but dies right away


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jasecom89
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Feb 23, 2014, 7:46 AM

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I have an 06 Buick lucerne that I bought around 4 days ago. It had 200k miles, v6, and in need of a tune up. I changed the spark plugs and, sure enough, the spark plugs looked pretty bad; in addition, the plugs that were on it weren't iridium (manufacturers specs). I got some iridium spark plugs from autozone but they were not gapped correctly, the specs are .060 and the plugs had .063. I DID NOT gap them, installed them, and now my car won't start and run, no check engine light. If I throttle it to 3k rpms it'll stay running, but not lower.

P.S. It might be worth mentioning that the bank 2 o2 sensor was directly behind my last spark plug, and it may have been "tugged" on accidentally, don't know if that could be it but... Idk


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Feb 23, 2014, 10:46 AM

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one thing at a time- you change plugs?
1) you did use AC Delco ?
....... I doubt the .003 will prevent it from starting.
2) when you start vehicle -or try- the CEL should come on @2 seconds fhen go out - yes or no?
....... This I believe will be an issue, so common with used vehicles let us know.
3) Is the security light doing as asked of the CEL?
The o2 sensor would not be an issue in starting... if there was I suspect a code would set- see question #2.

Answer those 1-3 then we will get into BASIC troubleshoting a no statr - do you have a fuel pressure gauge, a DVOM or test light?

PS - A tune up - there is nothing to really 'tune'/adjust SO we are always asking what is you meaning of a tune up.


(This post was edited by kev2 on Feb 23, 2014, 10:50 AM)


jasecom89
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Feb 23, 2014, 11:03 AM

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Yes, I changed the plugs. By tune up I mean maintenance (oil change, new plugs and wires, air filter, etc.). I used Bosch plugs. It starts decently just dies right away unless I throttle. The lights in the dash seem to operate normally (flash on then off at start). I do not have any of the tools you mentioned but can get access to if necessary.


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Feb 23, 2014, 11:04 AM

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Was it doing this before changing plugs? Did you use oem plugs?

Start by looking over everything you might have disturbed - sensor connectors,wiring,fuel or vacuum lines. Make sure plug wires are seated on plug and coil. Make sure none got put back on the wrong cylinder.

Have any way to get your hands on a scan tool? Im guessing there is going to be a pending code in there, or might have to access live data to get some direction on where to look.


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Feb 23, 2014, 12:56 PM

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I used Bosch plugs


Worst possible thing you could have done. Get rid of those things ASAP and tel Autozone right where to stick that junk. Buy AC Delco and nothing else, especially Bosch



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Feb 23, 2014, 1:46 PM

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Lets just say the bosch plugs are not recommended.. the are really really NOT recomended

The 3k rpm issue to me would suggest fuel management- very important - I ask again for the status of the CEL aka service engnine soon light- the engine shaped symbol ? on for @2seconds then off ? I believe this is a elec throttle and starting as you describe would be an issue-

Follow GC's advice retrace your work- missed vacuum line, PCV, air inlet ducting disturbed,


(This post was edited by kev2 on Feb 23, 2014, 2:12 PM)


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Feb 23, 2014, 2:02 PM

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Lets just say the bosch plugs are NOT recommended... seriously.


Let me go a step further.....................

I've had a least 3 vehicles brought to me that other shops couldn't resolve the misfire problem that ultimately turned out to be caused by installing Bosch plugs. They were mostly Fords.



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Feb 23, 2014, 2:14 PM

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oops Tongue bad grammar - those bosch plugs should go - not recomended.


jasecom89
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Feb 24, 2014, 12:11 PM

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Well guys, I feel like an idiot.. The brake booster line was not connected... Runs now. Although I did go with ac delco plugs.
Thanks for the help!!


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Feb 24, 2014, 12:16 PM

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 that large a vac leak and no CEL ? again you should have it scanned and confirm the system works


jasecom89
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Feb 24, 2014, 12:27 PM

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I failed to mention that what led me to my solution was buying an obd2 and retrieving a pending (no cel, just pending) p0171 code. Googled it and searched for any vacuum leak. The brake booster line was against a flat portion of the firewall. What exactly do you mean 'make sure the system works'?


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Feb 24, 2014, 12:36 PM

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Wow, that must have been hissing like hell. At least you found it now

Closing this question as solved.



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