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01 nissan altima 5 speed no crank


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pritch84
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Apr 6, 2015, 11:38 AM

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Drove the car for about an hour got home parked it for about 30 minutes. Went back out to leave and it wouldn't crank. All lights and guages act normal when turn the key just no sound from starter. I checked all fuses did the relay dance and checked all points i could see with a dmm and a test light. All wires i could by myself check out. Took a remote start button and started the vehicle. Pulled the relay and checked the points koeo and had 2 grounds/ component points and 2 dead. If im right there should be one point thats power with koeo. I think. Does enyone have the schematics for the starter control circuit or know it well? Any help from this point would be great. Also i tryed to bypass the clutch switch by unpluging it and jumping the 2 points with a jumper wire.


Tom Greenleaf
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Apr 6, 2015, 12:04 PM

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? You get noise from the starter or the solenoid ratcheting sound? That suggests a weak battery first or a lousy battery connection. If that's what you mean this probably would jump start with power from another source - jumper pack or another vehicle so you can test out the battery, charging system and so on.


Not sure what you checked at what relay? Going by what you said it did the relay dance whatever you meant like said a solenoid flutter which is on top of the starter,


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pritch84
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Apr 6, 2015, 12:41 PM

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Relay dance take a relay that works and switch with the slot in question.. The test i did was were the relay plugs in at the fuse block. The battery is good there was no click, flutter, etc at all when key was turned to start position. But qhen i used a jumper with a nonlatching button i got it to turn over and start with no problem. I connected to the control point of the solenoid and battery pos with the jumper.


Tom Greenleaf
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Apr 6, 2015, 12:54 PM

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OK I think? Remote starters and there oh so common failures not my job and seems that is getting in the way if this in fact started with trigger wire jumped with power with key on "Run" position right at starter solenoid.


Understanding everyone's terms is always an issue. Yes swapping a relay know to work and not needed with one in question is a way to test if a suspect relay is in question or not without a lot of digging or diagnosing much more.


Unless I'm still misunderstanding you I suspect the remote start is causing a problem. If aftermarket I'd bet good bucks on it and not so thrilled with the whole idea of them from the get go with unattended vehicles and do understand how nice they could be also but wouldn't own one and if by chance bought a vehicle with one it would be permanently and perfectly removed - too much trouble IMO for any value.


Your call. I think remote starter has failed you. What type, factory or aftermarket will matter how you fix or remove it?


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pritch84
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Apr 6, 2015, 1:09 PM

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Sorry went i stated remote start button i ment the jumper type. This car is pretty much a base model. Not too many gadgets. Sorry about the lingo by profession im a class 8 tractor-trailer mechanic for the last few years.


(This post was edited by pritch84 on Apr 6, 2015, 1:12 PM)


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Apr 6, 2015, 1:23 PM

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pritch84
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Apr 6, 2015, 1:35 PM

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Ok so from this diagram the clutch interlock relay would be the "starter relay" and point one should have constant power atleast koeo right?


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Apr 6, 2015, 1:51 PM

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One of them definitely powers in "start" position and the other one isn't clear but definitely should have power in at least "start" position, maybe "on" also.
The clutch switch supplies trigger ground.



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Tom Greenleaf
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Apr 6, 2015, 2:02 PM

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HT -Your diagram just disappeared to my view? Seemed helpful for this if it can be put back, T


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Apr 6, 2015, 2:05 PM

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It's still there.



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pritch84
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Apr 6, 2015, 2:09 PM

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Ok ill look into it tomorrow morning when i get off work and get back with ya.


pritch84
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Apr 7, 2015, 9:11 AM

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Ok got to try a couple things first i checked all terminals for the relay to figure out where they went. Then Ω out the terminal to the solenoid, that checked out good. Checked koeo, good voltage there. Then key on run position found good voltage. Only thing that i needed 2 people for was the control ground circuit for the clutch switch. So i made a remote relay and connected to direct ground and the car fired right up. So im going to try a new clutch switch soon and then if that dont fix it, it will be in the wiring. Thatnks all for getting me this far. Ill keep you posted on the final outcome


pritch84
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Apr 7, 2015, 11:12 AM

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Ok done and driving. I didn't realize there was 2 switches on the clutch till i got up under the dash more. My problem was the clutch pedal gromit that triggers the switch. It decayed and fell out leaving a nice large hole to pass through. Went to advanced auto parts and picked up a pack of bolt bump stops found one that matched the original to get it back on the road till i can get ahold of the oem part.... Thanks to you all again for your help.


Tom Greenleaf
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Apr 7, 2015, 11:42 AM

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Glad you found it, fixed with one of those assortment packs and seems all set now so will close thread as solve. You may ask any moderator to re-open it upon request, T







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