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Gasbaa
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Dec 7, 2016, 3:49 PM

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I have a 2006 Ford Freestar with some bad stalling problems. Threw a p0420 code (catalyst efficiency below threshold). I ran live data and all sensors fluctuates between .1v and .9v. Except for sensor 1 bank 2 which was stuck at .095v. I expect the cats are bad and causing the stalling as there is so much fluctuation on the downstream sensors(so says the interwebs) but I am not knowledgeable about these sensors(plenty of internet research but no experience) and how the o2s12 may be affecting the car. I am guessing maybe replace the o2s12 sensor and see how it reacts? Or should I even bother. Thanks for any advice.
Edit: I think I am somewhat worried that the o2 sensor may be causing the stall. I am more worried about the stall then anything. I'm guessing it's stalling cuz the cat is plugged and pushing exhaust back in the cylinder but again I'm fairly clueless about the o2 sensors.


(This post was edited by Gasbaa on Dec 7, 2016, 4:29 PM)


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Dec 7, 2016, 5:02 PM

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Which engine? When does it stall? Does it start back up after it stalls? Have you noticed loss of power when you give it the beans?

Rear O2 sensors usually don't cause stalling problems. You definitely need to figure out the stalling issue before condemning the cats for the P0420 code.





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Gasbaa
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Dec 7, 2016, 5:11 PM

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3.9 .Idles fine. Stalls during acceleration. Sensor 1 bank 2 is the one stuck on.095v which would be the upstream sensor? Would that make it stall? Does start back up. Sometimes it dies out completely and will need to be started again but turns over.


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Dec 7, 2016, 5:59 PM

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Why would you jump to the conclusion that the sensor itself is the cause is the cause of the high reporting voltage? That's rarely the fault of the sensor it self. What is is telling you is that the fuel is too rich on that bank. A plugged converter is one of the things that can cause a reading like that. Anything else causing a rich mixture could also do that.



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kev2
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Dec 7, 2016, 6:20 PM

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Bank 2 sensor 1 the one reading .095 or is that reading .95? A .095 would have me suspecting the sensor itself.
You can use an exhaust backpressure gauge, or observe engine vacuum holding rpm steady @ 1500 does vac reaingg drop?


Gasbaa
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Dec 7, 2016, 6:30 PM

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.095 I took a picture of the readings so I could refer back to that one cuz it was so obviously the odd man out. Definitely .095


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Dec 7, 2016, 7:04 PM

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I stand corrected then. That is a lean indication.



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Gasbaa
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Dec 7, 2016, 8:28 PM

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Originally I checked for vacuum leaks using the spray and pray method with some carb cleaner. Figured I would find one but no change in idle. Borrowed a scanner popped the p0420. Ran the live data after searching for solutions on the web and came up with voltages previously stated. Most of my car experience is on volkswagens, old fords and wrenching on old Sh!t bust from what I can scavenge off the web my cats are bad but I'm trying to get some input before I pony up for cats. I looked around for lean on bank 2 sensor 1 and it sounds like most likely candidates are vacuum leak or o2 sensor. Previous owner said he did smoke test a year ago and I got nothing on spraying the cleaner. Any opinion one just spending the money on the o2 sensor or is there a better option. Long winded but I appreciate any advice.


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Hammer Time
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Dec 7, 2016, 8:40 PM

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A vacuum leak is not real likely since you are only getting the lean reading on one bank of the engine.



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Dec 8, 2016, 7:54 AM

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See if you can force system rich - carb cleaner into TB partially block TB.... see if that .095 changes. A suspicious reading .095 I suspect bad sensor - contaminated with ?


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Dec 8, 2016, 8:19 AM

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0.95 volts would be a rich condition if the sensor was working correctly. The fronts switching and the one rear stuck high would definitely be a sensor issue. If you want to attempt to force it low you would have to create a vacuum leak.

Still don't think that the O2 is causing your stalling.





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Dec 8, 2016, 8:36 AM

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NOTE the reading is .095 confirmed by poster - confusing as I initially jumped to rich .95...


Gasbaa
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Dec 8, 2016, 10:15 AM

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I apologize but I may have confused the issue. That .095reading is from O2S12. I keep reading it as O2Sensor1Bank2 but I think it should probably be O2Sensor Bank 1 sensor 2. I also found out that the downstream bank 1 sensor(which if I'm right about being confused is the O2S12) was recently replaced and was told the stalling got worse and and has been getting worse since. I appreciate yours guys time and effort. I may just take it into a shop to diagnose but I feel like they are just gonna read the code and tell me my cats are bad.


(This post was edited by Gasbaa on Dec 8, 2016, 10:21 AM)


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Dec 8, 2016, 11:02 AM

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Sorry Kevin. That was my mistake. .095 volts.

Wonder what the long and short term fuel trims are?





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Dec 8, 2016, 12:07 PM

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I apologize but I may have confused the issue. That .095reading is from O2S12. I keep reading it as O2Sensor1Bank2 but I think it should probably be O2Sensor Bank 1 sensor 2.


That would change everything. We aren't talking about a mixture problem any more. Now we could be talking about a plugged cat.



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Dec 8, 2016, 1:27 PM

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