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2009 Honda Pilot 11-11 Open Short in the driver's side airbag first inflator or circuit.


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cmb7684
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Jan 11, 2017, 6:48 PM

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2009 Honda Pilot 11-11 Open Short in the driver's side airbag first inflator or circuit. Sign In

 I have a 2009 Honda Pilot Touring 2WD 3.5 6cyl. 54,000 miles.


I rebuilt this car after it was wrecked in the front end. Body shop did the body work I took care of engine/sensors wiring. I replaced everything that had visible damage with new Honda parts.

The drivers air bag did blow in the wreck. The drivers air bag and clock spring were changed with new replacements from Honda.

I have not have any error codes. Using my Modis SnapOn i pulled codes just to make sure it didnt have anything else going on after I fixed other issues. SO to be clear the Air bag light has not been on but it does have a code saying 11-11 Open Short in the driver's side airbag first inflator or circuit.

Can this be an old code that is stored from the wreck and should I clear it and see if it comes back? My hesitation is it has an open recall for the air bags and it might interfere wih the recall and possible free replacement.


(This post was edited by cmb7684 on Jan 11, 2017, 6:49 PM)


Hammer Time
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Jan 11, 2017, 7:19 PM

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Re: 2009 Honda Pilot 11-11 Open Short in the driver's side airbag first inflator or circuit. Sign In

I got a little different definition for that code

DTC 11-1x ("x" can be 0 thru 9 or A thru F):

Open in the Driver's Airbag First Inflator

If there is an open in the circuit you are going to have do do some testing to find it. You will likely need some specialized test equipment to test the bag itself..



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cmb7684
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Jan 12, 2017, 2:41 AM

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Re: 2009 Honda Pilot 11-11 Open Short in the driver's side airbag first inflator or circuit. Sign In

Thanks for the reply and looking it up. I think I am going to practice the old know your limitations theory here and bring in to the dealer for the recall. They can figure it out when they perform the service for the open recall and if they blow that bag its on them.

I guess for nothing more than discussion purposes and so I have a better grasp of how the airbag systems work, some say that the Airbag modules are one and done meaning when the module activates the bag then you have to replace the bag as well as the module. I have also come across those that advertise a service to reset the modules as if they had never been activated or activated the air bag. I know the body shop somehow reset the original module on this car bc that is not a part I ordered and I ordered all the parts. So I am unsure what method he used to reset that module but a new one was never on the parts list for me to order.

I assume it is not as easy as just connecting the scan tool and clearing the codes? My suspicion is if one tried that and connected new bags leaving the old module that it wouldn't actually have cleared the module and the module would or might resend the signal to blow the new bag?

Also, when you change out a faulty impact sensor, other than disconnecting the battery is there anything else that has to be done other than change the sensor and reconnect battery? I ask bc our spare car has some issues that I will be tracking down and I am sure I will post the codes as well but just wanted to have some general knowledge as I run the tests on that car.


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Jan 12, 2017, 5:17 AM

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SRS Component Replacement/Inspection After Deployment

NOTE:

- Before doing any SRS repairs, check for DTCs See: Air Bag Systems > Reading and Clearing Diagnostic Trouble Codes, for the less obvious deployed parts (seat belt tensioners, front impact sensors, side airbag sensors, etc.)
- Do not replace the ODS unit unless it is physically damaged or a specific fault was found during DTC troubleshooting. Because it could complicate troubleshooting other DTCs.
- After a vehicle collision, do the ODS unit operation check See: Air Bag Systems > Component Tests and General Diagnostics > ODS Unit Operation Check.
- After a vehicle collision, inspect the front seat active head restrains See: Head Rest > Component Tests and General Diagnostics.

After a collision where the seat belt tensioners deployed, replace these items:

- SRS unit
- Seat belt tensioners
- Front impact sensors

After a collision where the front airbag(s) deployed, replace these items:

- SRS unit
- Deployed airbag(s)
- Seat belt tensioners
- Front impact sensors

After a collision where the side airbag(s) deployed, replace these items:

- SRS unit
- Side impact sensor(s) (first)
- Side impact sensor(s) (second)
- Side impact sensor(s) (third)
- Rear safing sensor
- B-pillar lower trim
- Front seat assembly (Impact side)
- Seat belt tensioners

After a collision where a side curtain airbag has deployed, replace the items for the side(s) that deployed:

- SRS unit
- Deployed side curtain airbag(s)
- Seat belt tensioner(s) for the side(s) that deployed
- Side impact sensor(s) (first)
- Side impact sensor(s) (second)
- Side impact sensor(s) (third)
- Rear safing sensor
- Roof trim
- A-pillar trim
- B-pillar upper trim
- C-pillar trim
- Upper quarter window trim
- D-pillar trim
- Front grab handle
- Rear grab handle
- All related trim clips
- Sunvisor

After a moderate to severe side or rear collision, inspect for any damage on the side curtain airbag or other related components. Replace the components as needed.






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Jan 12, 2017, 5:25 AM

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Re: 2009 Honda Pilot 11-11 Open Short in the driver's side airbag first inflator or circuit. Sign In

You don't test an air bag or any inflater with anything! There is a tool to simulate the air bag that you can plug in to see if the system passes, but you never ever attempt to test the air bag itself. There is no procedure for that in SI.



Airbag Handling and Storage

Do not disassemble an airbag. It has no serviceable parts. Once an airbag has been deployed, it cannot be repaired or reused.

For temporary storage of an airbag during service, observe the following precautions.

- Store the removed airbag with the pad surface up. Never put anything on the airbag.

- To prevent damage to the airbag, keep it away from any oil, grease, detergent, or water.
- Store the removed airbag on a secure, flat surface away from any high heat source (exceeding 200 °F/93 °C).
- Never do electrical tests on the airbags, such as measuring resistance.

- Do not position yourself in front of the airbag during removal, inspection, or replacement.
- For proper disposal of a damaged airbag, refer to airbag disposal.

- The side curtain airbag module assembly is a long, jointed part containing an inflator (A), a flexible bag (B), and brackets (C). When removing or installing the side curtain airbag inflator assembly, never:
- Handle the flexible bag.
- Drop the airbag assembly.
- Cut, tear, or unwrap the tape strips.





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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Jan 12, 2017, 5:29 AM)


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Jan 12, 2017, 5:31 AM

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I have never heard of anything that will "reset" and airbag module instead of replacing it if that is required in the situation. Most of these modules perform as a black box in an airplane. The moment they deploy they store all the data from the moment of impact and are no longer usable in the system. That doesn't apply to every system though.



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cmb7684
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Jan 16, 2017, 2:18 AM

Post #7 of 9 (414 views)
Re: 2009 Honda Pilot 11-11 Open Short in the driver's side airbag first inflator or circuit. Sign In

Sorry for the slow reply. Thank you for the detailed response. I contacted the body shop and he said he did replace the SRS module with a new one. I will have to look over my parts list to see if I just missed it in the order list.


Hammertime a google search has companies that reset them for a fee but to be honest its really not worth it and not something I would take a risk with but the service to reset them is apparently out there....
I'm willing to bet that the code is there from when we disconnected steering column and spunk it breaking the clock spring. I bet when we replaced the clock spring it kept that code. Ether way I will be brining in to the dealer soon to have them check that as part of the air bag recall.


Again than you both for your help and guidance.


Hammer Time
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Jan 16, 2017, 5:32 AM

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There may well be people claiming to do that but I would expect it is not very legal. Congress mandated that these modules retain memory for accident investigation. That would pretty much amount to destroying evidence.



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Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 16, 2017, 6:01 AM

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Re: 2009 Honda Pilot 11-11 Open Short in the driver's side airbag first inflator or circuit. Sign In

Where I am, MA inspections are annual. If so much as a cracked rear view mirror you technically can't drive the vehicle on a public road never mind a safety code of anything it can find or if it can't show "ready" you have 30 days or take it off the road or risk being towed if seen from the spot. Enforcement can tell just scanning you registration tag/plate from the rear or passing by a parked car! Yikes! Worse vehicle can be marked that this happened and if not sold to a dealer or in writing that it did sale can be cancelled! Harsh rules for a state that will give a driver's license on line to about anyone but true,


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