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Maximus1217
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Nov 7, 2013, 10:33 PM

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2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe
3.5L 5AT
81,000km

I've been having an issue for the past 3 months where car runs/drives perfectly, then out of nowhere the car will become "jerky" when accelerating and the transmission will shift rough. I noticed that when this occurs, my cabin lights and rear lights will flicker so there must be some electrical component to this. Headlights do not flicker but they are Xenon.

Video of intermittent cabin light flicker

Then yesterday, I was driving without issues and the car suddenly just about went dead. All my dash lights dimmed, the car lost power (was just able to idle but couldn't accelerate. Kind of went limp.). Also got a whole bunch of dash lights. Lights are ABS, Slip, and VDC. Airbag light is unrelated. I shifted into park and took a video. This is me revving the car, very sluggish....

Video of Dash Lights yesterday when car nearly died

At the time of this incident yesterday, it was dark and cold and I had been running headlights, stereo, both seat warmers... lots of load on electrical. Could be coincidence, but I shut the car off, waited, and started up twice. Both times the car was fine for a matter of seconds before sudden loss of power like in the above video. The third time, I shut off headlights, heat/fan, seat warmer, stereo and was able to drive it home ~1km without an issue.

I am thinking Alternator/Regulator...

NOTES:
- Alternator replaced <2yrs ago. I have 5 weeks left in the warranty so if this is an alternator issue I need to figure out a way fast to prove it.
- Alternator giving 106amps, steady voltage from idle to rev (although have not been able to get a multimeter on it fast enough to catch readings during flickering)
- Battery replaced 1 yr ago


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Nov 8, 2013, 3:25 AM

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Videos aren't going to tell you too much. Have the battery charged and tested first and then once you have a fully charged battery, have the charging system tested.



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huntingdeer
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Nov 8, 2013, 6:52 AM

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try to clean all wires on your battery cables.If they are dirty and not making a connection sometimes it will almost stall out cause the alternator has trouble running the car without the battery. try to rev it up a little when it does it.If the lights get bright you know its not running off the battery at the time.


huntingdeer
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Nov 8, 2013, 6:55 AM

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and most parts stores will test your battery and charging system free.I would do get them to go test it.


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Nov 8, 2013, 9:04 AM

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.If they are dirty and not making a connection sometimes it will almost stall out cause the alternator has trouble running the car without the battery


No, not true.



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Maximus1217
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Nov 8, 2013, 4:51 PM

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Videos aren't going to tell you too much. Have the battery charged and tested first and then once you have a fully charged battery, have the charging system tested.


Wasn't hoping a video would solve my problem, but it is a good way to accurately convey some of the symptoms to people like yourself who have more of an automotive background.
Thanks, when you say have the charging system tested... I have had the voltage and amperage measured at idle, while revving, and while the system is under load by a mechanic. The car never gave any symptoms during the test though. It is pretty intermittent. Is a charging system test more thorough?

I have a volt-meter in the car full-time now, just waiting for another large issue then I should have some voltage readings.


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try to clean all wires on your battery cables.If they are dirty and not making a connection sometimes it will almost stall out cause the alternator has trouble running the car without the battery. try to rev it up a little when it does it.If the lights get bright you know its not running off the battery at the time.


Thanks for the reply. I brought the car to a mechanic about a month ago, and he cleaned all grounds so I'm still trying to figure out what is next.


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Nov 8, 2013, 5:01 PM

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You need to read the battery voltage with an accurate digital voltmeter while the problem is present.



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Nov 8, 2013, 5:07 PM

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You might not see the voltage fluctuations with a meter when the dome light is flickering. You'll need a scope to see that because meter is going to average out the voltage reading. Usually it is a regulator problem that causes the flickering or the regulator isn't grounded in the alternator chassis properly. Cheap reman alternators are bad about that also. Did your mechanic check for excessive AC ripple?





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Nov 8, 2013, 5:16 PM

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You need to read the battery voltage with an accurate digital voltmeter while the problem is present.


Thanks, that's the plan. Like I said I now have the DMM in the car full-time waiting for another major issue, then I can jump out and measure quickly. I haven't had a volt-meter with me previously.


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Nov 8, 2013, 5:24 PM

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You might not see the voltage fluctuations with a meter when the dome light is flickering. You'll a scope to see that because meter is going to average out the voltage reading. Usually it is a regulator problem that causes the flickering or the regulator isn't grounded in the alternator chassis properly. Cheap reman alternators are bad about that also. Did your mechanic check for excessive AC ripple?


That is true, good point. Hopefully if I get another major issue like in my second video though then I should see a consistent drop in voltage. But that has only happening once, and may or may not happen again soon.

3 days ago my mechanic hooked a scope up, but by the time it was hooked up the flickering had stopped. No AC current detected (without flickering present) and voltage was steady (without flickering issue present). I don't own a scope so my worry now is that even if I do manage to detect a bad alternator during flickering, if I send the alternator back to Bosch there is 95% chance that they will test it and it will seem fine to them and I'll get charged. 4 weeks left on warranty to have it totally fail if it is the culprit.


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Nov 8, 2013, 5:32 PM

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Alternator giving 106amps, steady voltage from idle to rev (although have not been able to get a multimeter on it fast enough to catch readings during flickering)


That alternator is working its ass off. It is rated for 110. What is turned on when it is pushing that out?

Do you have any aftermarket equipment, such as stereo amps, hair drier, or refrigerator?





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Maximus1217
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Nov 8, 2013, 5:50 PM

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Alternator giving 106amps, steady voltage from idle to rev (although have not been able to get a multimeter on it fast enough to catch readings during flickering)


That alternator is working its ass off. It is rated for 110. What is turned on when it is pushing that out?

Do you have any aftermarket equipment, such as stereo amps, hair drier, or refrigerator?


Hhaha sorry, to clarify, my mechanic hooked up a machine to put the system under load. He got steady voltage while the alternator put out up to 106amps. To him the alternator seemed really strong. But every time I go there the car performs perfectly... sort of an ongoing joke.


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Nov 8, 2013, 6:02 PM

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You know, load testing like that is a really bad idea on today's alternators. They aren't built to handle high output like that and often fail when put under those circumstances.



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Maximus1217
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Nov 8, 2013, 6:19 PM

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You know, load testing like that is a really bad idea on today's alternators. They aren't built to handle high output like that and often fail when put under those circumstances.


Really? They're not made to reach their rated output? Doesn't surprise me I guess.






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