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Power window problem - Honda Civic 2002


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broncoscarguy
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Sep 27, 2019, 7:59 AM

Post #1 of 8 (1014 views)
  post locked   Power window problem - Honda Civic 2002  

Hello:

I need some guidance. I have a Honda civic 2001 that the front passenger side power window stopped working. The window was actually almost fully open when it stopped working and I couldn't get back up. When I switch the power window control on the left door the window does not move at all and there is no clicking noise as to anything trying to happen. All other windows work fine. I had read online that it could a number of things: the fuse, the motor/regulator, etc. So I started by checking the fuses (cheapest and easiest thing to do).

I took out fuse #22 from the internal box and I noticed that it was in fact blown. To test this, I took the fuse from the front driver side window (#23) and put it on the driver side window. When I turned the car on to test it, and turned on the window switch it was a bit hard for it to move at first but I was able to fully close the window and then it stopped working. I turned the car off and took the fuse off and noticed that now that fuse was blown. I went to the autoshop store and picked up a few fuses for a couple of bucks and replaced the one that I had taken from the front driver side (which now works again) and replaced the second one that had blown from #22 (front pasenger side). I turned the car on and the driver side window works as it did before but the front passenger side did not even move this time. Turned the car off took #22 out again and noticed that it was once again blown.

I did some reading online and realized that some people had had this problem and that for them the fuse got blown as soon as they turned the car on, they didnt event have to hit the window switch. So I took out my multimeter and tested for continuity on that breaker. Sure enough when I turn the car on I get a very small, numbers running through the multimeter, mostly I get shown a negative sign. When I did the same on the other working window breakers I get nothing when I turn the car on. So it seems that there may be a short somewhere. So I am stuck as to how to proceed. I figured that maybe there was a wire touching somewhere and I would be able to see that so I took that front passenger side door apart so that I could access the motor/regulator but I can not visually see anything wrong. I have disconnected some of those plugs on the door itself that go to the window switch on the door and continued testing the breaker for continuity but I still get those small/negative signs on the multimeter.

Can someone provide me with some additional troubleshooting? what is the next logical thing to test and how do I do that? Should I test the window motor or regulator? and if so, how do I do that? What is the most likely culprit in these types of situations? could the actual breaker box be the problem? isn't that unlikely since I would be seeing that problem in other fuses? Do you think one of the wires in the actual door is touching metal? but how would that just start happening now?
I should mention that I have no experience on this at all, it has been alot of youtubing up to get to this point. So please bear with my ignorance when responding. Any help at all would be appreciated!


Tom Greenleaf
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Sep 27, 2019, 10:08 AM

Post #2 of 8 (1001 views)
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OK, RF window is almost all the way down now blows a fuse if tried.
I think this will have to lead to getting panel off and taking a look and I'd unplug motor if possible with it down without way too much destruction. Then I'd see if another fuse blows with it unplugged or if you see it's obviously all messed up, off the track just a mess inside there?


Whole regulars if so for that either way usually the hard part is tricks to get window to move is motor or regulator with mechanisms is all screwed up,


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broncoscarguy
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Sep 27, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Thanks for the suggestion.
I initially disconnected the power window control on the door itself. The power locks and mirrors on that door still worked just fine. Connecting the window fuse for that door still caused it to blow as soon as the car was turned on. To troubleshoot further, I unplugged the cable connections on the door itself to the mirror, locks and the windows. So in essence there was nothing connected from the internal fuse box to the door. I then put in another fuse in the fuse box and turned the car on. The fuse stil blew. To take it one step further, there is a plug just under the glove compartment that disconnects the entire wire bundle before it enters the door. I disconnected that plug, replaced the fuse, turned the car on and yet the fuse still blew out right away. Am I mistaken to think that the problem then resides between the connections under the glove compartment to the internal fuse box since I have essentially taken the entire door out of the equation? how can I troubleshoot this further? and why would it become a problem now?

Again, all other windows work fine. Could it be that the problem resides in fuse box? I was thinking, since the driver side also controls the front passenger side window, could that be a problem as well? is that likely if all the other windows are NOT having problems?


Tom Greenleaf
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Sep 27, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Sounds good just using up fuses to zoom in on the exact short that blows it. IDK see if a junk yard will let you take a whole bunch if they get too costly of SAME rated ones.
It's listed here as 2002 and 2001 there might be a difference if this gets down to exact wiring diagram plus option packages but also with that much time either way what if anything was recently touched or played with along the way to trigger a short or just luck?


(SIDE NOTE FLASH THIS ISN'T GETTING FIXED IN TWO SECONDS SO YOU CAN USE A TRASH BAG OVER DOOR WITH WINDOW DOWN SO IT DOESN'T GET WEATHER INSIDE. SOME WINDOW/GLASS SHOPS WILL EVEN PUT PLASTIC YOU CAN SEE THRU - CHECK LOCAL TO WHERE YOU ARE)


Getting there I hope. Problem is AFTER that fuse on so need to know everything it covers. Owner's manuals can say this an on-line one or the one it came with. Those wont show wire's colors for where just what items may share it?


Any aftermarket items or work where wires travel, changes perhaps before you got this car if not from new now doubtful to know every last possible thing.


Back side of fuse boxes? Inside one? Does that backup to firewall or what? If you trust condition of things see if you can get look there for trouble + evidence of burned wire or the fuse block itself?


I like your common sense approach so far it's older so for a while throw the book out look for what age might have done so far you've ruled out anything in the door is info if nothing else.
Check where harness plugs connect or evidence too and good thinking on driver's side that can and does cancel use of both window switches at the same time driver's controls win so if that far will take the diagram of where and how that happens it could still be just that.


Do no harm in the search for wires/plugs and how held in place!


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Hammer Time
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Sep 28, 2019, 3:31 AM

Post #5 of 8 (968 views)
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Your process of elimination seems to isolate the circuit down to the master switch on the drivers side. That fuse powers that also



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Tom Greenleaf
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Sep 28, 2019, 4:12 AM

Post #6 of 8 (963 views)
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Perfect: Unplug "master switch to see if fuse blows. Strong clue the source. That door opens the most, wires thru door jam (bend or rub unseen) or wet opened in rain more - not so great for electric stuff - anything!


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broncoscarguy
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Sep 30, 2019, 8:48 AM

Post #7 of 8 (932 views)
  post locked   Re: Power window problem - Honda Civic 2002  

Thanks for the information. The problem was the driver side master switch. I unplugged that one and the short went away. When I eventually took it out it smelled like burnt plastic. Odd that only the passenger side window wouldn't work. Anyhow, went to the junk yard, picked up a new and replaced it. Works like a charm now. Thanks for the help.


Hammer Time
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Sep 30, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Glad to hear you got it resolved.

Closing this now as solved.



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