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POWER WINDOWS PROBLEM>>fuse keeps blowing,drivers side wont come up! HELP!!! **Repaired**
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protege1.6
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POWER WINDOWS PROBLEM>>fuse keeps blowing,drivers side wont come up! HELP!!! **Repaired**
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Hi everyone,
So I have a 2000 Mazda Protege SE, which came with aftermarket power windows.
Of course, they broke in the Fall last year when I was at the timmies drive through.
I remember how they broke, I tried to put my window down and I heard a "shhht shht" sound (I guess shorting?) .
Both windows aren't working (rear windows have winders)
So I decided to wait until Spring to repair them.
I checked the fuse and there is continuity (fuses are good) but there is no voltage reading on the 30AMP socket , and the little lights on the switches aren't lighting up so I guess its not a mechanical problem?
Please help and provide suggestions,
Thanks.
(This post was edited by protege1.6 on May 7, 2015, 9:38 PM)
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protege1.6
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Apr 22, 2015, 10:16 AM
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Re: POWER WINDOWS PROBLEM>>fuse keeps blowing,drivers side wont come up! HELP!!!
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Update
I managed to get that panel off, and found a small black fuse box holding a 30amp fuse....the fuse was broken : so I thought this would be a simple fix!
replaced the fuse, the windows went down, but the drivers side wouldnt go back up!!
came home, and found out that new fuse blew too! so something is causing the fuse to blow!! .
I tried to short the fuse, and pushed the switch to get the drivers side to go down, but it wouldnt go back up again!!!
then the motor was humming but the window wasn't going up! next thing I know the entire door was smoking (burnt out motor?)
and the 30 amp fuse in the fuse box (not the independent one I replaced), was blown now too!
The circuit is basicaly like this red from ignition>>>>>fuse>>>> switch>>>>>motor
Is there a dead short ?
What should I do?
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dsw1204
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Apr 27, 2015, 11:46 AM
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Re: POWER WINDOWS PROBLEM>>fuse keeps blowing,drivers side wont come up! HELP!!!
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My guess is that you have a faulty power window regulator/motor. Replace that (make sure the motor comes with the regulator) and I would bet your problem would be solved.
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Hammer Time
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Apr 27, 2015, 1:11 PM
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Re: POWER WINDOWS PROBLEM>>fuse keeps blowing,drivers side wont come up! HELP!!!
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And where did you pull that wild guess out of?
Lots of places in addition to that to create a short/overload.
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protege1.6
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I tried to short the fuse, and pushed the switch to get the drivers side to go down, but it wouldnt go back up again!!!
then the motor was humming but the window wasn't going up! next thing I know the entire door was smoking (burnt out motor?) Well, follow the smoke and you should find the short. Luckly you didn't try that with circuits that run behind the dash. <rolls eyes> Install a circuit breaker the same rating as the fuse if your going to attempt to find shorts. You should remove power from the circuit and unplug the motor. Then use your ohm meter and check for shorts in the circuits. The window or regulator could be binding and overloading the window motor. >>>> How do I make a circuit breaker? and where should I install it? |
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protege1.6
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Apr 27, 2015, 9:23 PM
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My guess is that you have a faulty power window regulator/motor. Replace that (make sure the motor comes with the regulator) and I would bet your problem would be solved. Yeah, it definitely is somewhere in the driver's side door (since thats where the smoke is coming from) , I'm just wondering what I should check first when I open up the door (not looking forward to dismantliing the door  ) .
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Tom Greenleaf
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Apr 28, 2015, 3:17 AM
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That should be your whole regulator. If you haven't even taken the door panel off to see (has to show if smoking in there) where it's burning up suggestions are still guesses as to what you'll find and the fix.
That entire "regulator w motor" will probably rivet in but you could either see wires burnt, plug burnt up, or cable for the regulator in a bird's nest mess. Cable will only pull not push so it "pulled" one way (down of course) and that ends that now if so.
It only takes slamming a door to mess these up wholesale or just bad luck. With panel off you'll find probably a plastic sheet to remove and limited holes in metal of inside door to view the show, wires and what's going on.
If you are in trouble to just get the panel off try searching a YouTube of how panel comes off for any hidden screws and where up to removing that thru the metal of inside door for another.
Plug: Looks like this.........
If you so much as find that good unplug it and see if all shorting quits if in doubt and fuse doesn't blow. All that two wire connection should do is take power to one side and ground to the other to move motor for up or down reverse those.
Could be done out of the car with a 12v power source if you wanted to be sure of the assembly or left inside unplugged from anything else on the car. I wont describe how till you can look right at this and you probably wont have to it will be pretty obvious IMO what the problem is,
T
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Apr 28, 2015, 5:12 AM
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I've never really seen a window motor or regulator cause a dead short and smoke but the wiring inside and where it comes through the door can create bare wires and a short.
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Apr 28, 2015, 5:28 AM
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Neither have I and always a first time. Can't compete when someone claims smoke, blowing fuse and can't find or have a real clue where it's even smoking from.
More often w regulators the plastic is brittle to anything or cable goes all wrong up to motor plain quits, doesn't draw current and can't.
As HT also said that where wires bend in door jam is also a common spot for trouble and could short right there. More often begins at intermittent then nothing either direction. Of course once for a window that's down you can only know it's still trying by knowing it's drawing current to do so as it wont go down more!
This should never have been this difficult IMO,
T
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protege1.6
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May 7, 2015, 9:51 PM
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Re: POWER WINDOWS PROBLEM>>fuse keeps blowing,drivers side wont come up! HELP!!!
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I MANAGED TO REPAIR IT MYSELF!! AND SAVE THE $200 REPAIR BILL!! WOW IM PROUD OF MYSELF!!
ok so it had nothing to do with the motor, I took the motor component off and placed the wires to the terminals of the battery , it worked just fine (now I know that the motor/regulator didn't need replacing).
there were bare wires , with the insulation melted off at the wires coming out of the motor, I cut the bare wires out and put plastic bullet connectors on the motor wires to the black and green wires.
Then I screwed the motor and regulator component back on the door, and put vaseline in the weather stripping where the windows sits inside, and vaseline on the metal track inside the door (and wiped off the metal liquid (whats it called?) , so the windows doesn't face too much resistance on the "up" journey. The windows come down a lot easier than going up.
What caused the short in the first place? who knows , I still don't.
I apologize for the lack of photo's had no time.
Thanks for all the 2 cents and free input.
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May 8, 2015, 1:33 AM
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Re: POWER WINDOWS PROBLEM>>fuse keeps blowing,drivers side wont come up! HELP!!!
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Quote">>and put vaseline in the weather stripping where the windows sits inside<<"
You'll regret that part. Weather stripping rubber isn't petroleum friendly and will probably swell up and be destroyed. If the fuzzy rubber will fail also later.
If real Vaseline or generic of it read the label. It will say not to use it on rubber anything - ya, even those other 'rubber' things!
T
(This post was edited by Tom Greenleaf on May 8, 2015, 1:39 AM)
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Hammer Time
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It will also become muddy grit scratching the window when all the dust sticks to it.
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May 8, 2015, 4:35 AM
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I wonder what happens to Vaseline when it gets really hot in that door during summer time?
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Re: POWER WINDOWS PROBLEM>>fuse keeps blowing,drivers side wont come up! HELP!!!
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Can't think of a vehicle that wants real grease never mind "Petroleum" grease on door rubber parts. I've had to use spray lithium grease where felted tracks wore out the felt and a window wouldn't move without help - all worn out junker but made a mess, always dirty glass smudges and if car lasted long enough (last ditch for those) window would have fallen out of track.
Better vehicles with the track rubber silicon spray that dried helped but became a routine to redo it and could without removing door panel. Those from the tolls at a booth commutes with windows open and closed 10 times a commute! Not funny, lots of folks just opened the whole door instead to prevent it or because it already happened,
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