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mrexp21
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Nov 9, 2013, 12:17 AM

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I wanted to calculate total allowed number of cranks until the starter not enough current to crank or battery dead. My battery capacity is 35Ah. Assume the power of the starter is 800W.

Assume fully charged battery : 12.6V

Calculation : P = VI
800W = (12.6V)(I)
I = 63.5A
so,
35Ah/63.5A = 0.55h
0.55h x 60 = 33minutes
33minutes x 60 = 1984seconds

If assume 5seconds for each crank, 1984seconds/5seconds = 396 times

According to calculation, the starter can be cranked for 396 times until battery is dead, nearly impossible. As I've heard, the starter can only be cranked 15-20 times maximum before the starter not enough current to crank or battery dead.

Is there anything wrong with my calculation ? Please help me. TQ.


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Nov 9, 2013, 3:39 AM

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I would expect that all your numbers would change as the state of the battery becomes discharged. As the reserve capacity of the battery drops the starter will consume more current to accomplish engine rotation. The temperature of the starter would also effect current draw. Initial engagement would usually require a surge of far more current than continued operation.



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mrexp21
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Nov 9, 2013, 3:49 AM

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I would expect that all your numbers would change as the state of the battery becomes discharged. As the reserve capacity of the battery drops the starter will consume more current to accomplish engine rotation. The temperature of the starter would also effect current draw. Initial engagement would usually require a surge of far more current than continued operation.


Hi,

Thanks for your answer. I get your message but I still need to roughly calculate theoretically for number of times the starter can crank. Do you have any suggestions ?


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Nov 9, 2013, 4:17 AM

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Do you have any suggestions ?


Yeah, find yourself a math forum. I'm sure you could find something over there in Malaysia.



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Nov 9, 2013, 8:30 AM

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Engineers and mechanics don't get along most the time..Tongue What happens to your equation if you have a gear reduction starter? I can tell you right now you are not going to have 12.6 volts at the battery when the starter is consuming current.









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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Nov 9, 2013, 8:52 AM)


mrexp21
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Nov 9, 2013, 8:30 PM

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Engineers and mechanics don't get along most the time..Tongue What happens to your equation if you have a gear reduction starter? I can tell you right now you are not going to have 12.6 volts at the battery when the starter is consuming current.





Hi,

Thanks for your response with attached image. I will look into it.


mrexp21
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Nov 9, 2013, 8:37 PM

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Engineers and mechanics don't get along most the time..Tongue What happens to your equation if you have a gear reduction starter? I can tell you right now you are not going to have 12.6 volts at the battery when the starter is consuming current.





Hi,

I can see that the voltage drops with every starter motor cranking. The current will increase if the voltage drops, I understand this concept. Using this concept, how I could calculate total number of times can be cranked ?

Kindly note : I'm doing a project on engine start/stop system during traffic light stop. Thats why I'm calculating the total number of times can be cranked. Please give your suggestions. TQ.


Discretesignals
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Nov 10, 2013, 7:33 AM

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I don't have the answer to your calculation, but someone else might on here. I'm not really good with mathematical word problems. The start stop system has been around since the 70's. You may need to find an engineering forum that can help you with your calculations.

I can tell you that the next step in start stop system is using internal combustion for restart. Mazda has already developed a system, you should check it out:

http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/env/i-stop/





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(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Nov 10, 2013, 7:37 AM)






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